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      17.08.2012 17:39
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      Worth trying if you can't brush your dog or cats teeth

      I've had dogs for 16 years. I got my first dog Cookie when I was just 17 years old and a year or so after that got Benny. Both have sadly passed now, Cookie most recently at the grand old age of 16 in April. I now have two more dogs but with was with both Cookie and Benny that I used Logic Oral Hygiene Gel.

      ~~~About the company~~~

      Logic Oral Hygiene Gel was developed by a company called Ceva. Ceva Santé Animale is a global veterinary health company focused on the research, development, production and marketing of pharmaceutical products and vaccines for pets, livestock, swine and poultry.

      ~~~What is Logic Oral Hygiene Gel~~~

      It's a medicated dental gel that can be used on both cats and dogs. It helps to prevent the formation of plaque and helps to fight bad breath. The gel also contains a surfactant which ensures that the active ingredients remain in contact with the teeth and gums and mild abrasives that help break down existing plaque. Logic Oral Hygiene Gel has multi-enzyme patented system, Logic Oral Hygiene Gel supplements the animal's own defence mechanism to help fight harmful bacteria in the mouth.

      ~~~How does it work?~~~

      Normal saliva is antibacterial due to the lactoperoxidase system. This contains salivary peroxidise (lactoperoxidase), thiocyanate (SCN-) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). These react together to form hypothiocyate, a powerful oxidising ion which has an inhibitory effect against oral bacteria, including common species such as Lactobacillus, Streptococcus and Actinomyces. This reduces bacterial count and subsequently inhibits the formation of dental plaque and tartar.

      ~~~Why did I choose use it?~~~

      Although I got Cookie as a pup he would never tolerate me brushing his teeth. I tried and tried but it was just too much of an ordeal for him. He would get really panicked and lash out biting me. No matter how gentle I was, if I used a soft rubber finger brush or a small dog toothbrush he wasn't having it! If you've read my Plaque Off review you'll know Cookie was born with an overshot jaw. His bottom part of his mouth was about quarter of the size it should have been. If you looked at his mouth from underneath the roof of his mouth and top teeth were all exposed. As a younger dog he had double sets of top teeth and because his mouth was so small his teeth were crowded in there.

      It was many years later after Cookie's first cleaning and extraction that I discovered Logic Oral Hygiene Gel. It's a specialist toothpaste that is recommended by vets and as I read about it I began to think this was the answer to my prayers. Why? Because this also works if you cannot brush your dog or cats teeth!!!! Of course brushing will always be better but if like me you can't then this is a fantastic way to reduce some of that plaque and keep your pets teeth cleaner and their breath fresher.

      If your dog or cat refuses any kind of dental regime this could be the answer. Ceva state that Logic Oral Hygiene Gel is still beneficial even if you do not bush it onto your pets teeth. Simply pop it onto their paw or onto your finger for them to lick off!

      So after reading about this in my vets waiting room I immediately purchased a tube. Anything was worth a try at this point and the fact that it was for sale in my vets surgery gave me confidence in the product.

      ~~~The product~~~

      It comes in a box just like any regular toothpaste would and has a picture of a dog and cat on the front of the box to indicate it's safe to use on both. It also has pictures of teeth across the box so you know it's for their teeth at a glance. Inside there is a tube containing 70g of the gel.

      It's called a gel and indeed it looks like a gel with a very slight brownish tinge to it. It has no smell and unlike other dog or cat toothpastes on the market it's not flavoured with anything like liver or fish to make it more palatable but it does state on the packaging that it is designed to be highly palatable.

      ~~~Composition/Ingredients~~~

      Enzyme complex: amylase, glucoamylase, glucose oxidase, potassium thiocyanate, lactoferrine, lactoperoxidase, lysozyme, superoxide dismutase. Mild abrasives and surfactant.
      Also contains a multienzyme complex which supplements and improves the animals own natural salivary system. This patented enzyme formula attacks bacteria in the mouth and helps removes plaque

      ~~~My experience~~~

      I used this with both Cookie and Benny. I was always unable to brush Cookies teeth so this helped a lot to keep the plaque reduced and his breath not so..... how shall I put this "pooey" lol. I first squezzed a little ball of it onto my finger and held it out to him. He sniffed at it and looked at it then evantually took a lick, decided he liked it and licked the rest off. Great!!! After a good few months of this I was eventually able to pop it on my finger and rub it across his teeth with my bare finger. He wouldn't allow a rubber finger brush but he would allow my finger. I felt that this was better because it was getting the gel directly on there and spreading it over his teeth and gums.

      Cookie was always going to have dental problems because of the size and shape of his mouth but this significantly reduced the amount of plaque and kept his breath a lot fresher. He did still get plaque I won't lie but it was a lot less than he would have. He would actually allow me to get the gel in on his right side more than the left and the right side was significantly cleaner due to this.

      Benny had had a serious issue as a younger dog with Gingivitus, would you believe that it nearly killed him!!!! One morning I awoke and there was blood everywhere!!! He was bleeding from his gums and it just wouldn't stop. I rushed him to the vet and by that time he'd lost so much blood and was so weak it was tough and go. Eventually they got him stable enough for the op to remove some teeth and clean them. From that day forward I brushed his teeth every day. Luckily he allowed me to do this. I used the Logic Gel with Benny combined with a finger brush and never every had a problem with plaque or his gums again after that.

      ~~~Availability~~~

      This isn't available is supermarkets or small pet shops. It's more of a specialist product so you will find it for sale in most vets. It's also available form a wide range of specialist online pet stores, the kind that sell Frontline and prescription medications for animals will generally have it. I've compiled a list of some online shops that I know of that sell it below.

      www.medicanimal.com - £7.10 free P&p
      www.bestpet.co.uk - £7.10 free delivery
      www.pet-supermarket.co.uk - £6.23 free Super Saver delivery or standard delivery for £2.95
      www.vetuk.co.uk - £6.23 free delivery
      www.amazon.co.uk - £4.15 £3.95 p&P
      www.petmeds.co.uk - £7.99
      www.petremedies.co.uk - £6.17

      Further information available at www.ceva.co.uk

      ~~~Conclusion~~~

      If tartar build-up is left untreated it can result in bad breath, gum disease, tooth decay and premature tooth loss. Tartar that is allowed to remain for too long can also cause infections that can spread throughout the body and damage the heart, lung, liver and negatively affect kidney functions!

      Brushing is definitely 100% better BUT if you can't then at least try this. It's not a miracle gel that will magically make your pets teeth perfectly clean again but it does help make them at least 50% cleaner from my experience.

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      18.06.2012 18:10
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      An effective, if expensive, toothpaste suitable for dogs and cats that will ensure your furry friend

      Neelix the dog, as well as being the world's greatest dog, is something of a gap-toothed gypsy. His teeth are in a shockingly poor state which has largely been caused by neglect in puppy and adolescent years combined with a wet food diet (before I got him). As soon as he came to live with me I got him on to a mainly dry, high quality diet and took him to the doggy dentist to assess the damage. The results weren't good: on his first visit he had to have quite a few teeth out with some being so rotten that the vet was able to simply pull them out by hand. On subsequent visits he's had to have a couple more out each time. It's all done under anaesthetic so he's not in too much pain, but still, it's unpleasant for him and I'd rather he had as little anaesthesia as possible. To that end, and on the vet's recommendation, I bought some of this Logic toothpaste.


      ~*~Why should you brush a dog's teeth?~*~

      Admittedly, you do feel a bit daft the first few times you do it, but it's worth persevering. For a start, poor dental health can cause sore and bleeding gums. Obviously, this is no fun for your pooch but it can also mean that bacteria from the mouth is introduced to the bloodstream which can weaken the heart. Aside from that, you'll notice a definite improvement in your dog's breath if you do it regularly and it may prevent huge vet's dental bills (I speak from experience: it would've been cheaper to take Neelix to my dentist and have him fitted with a set of false gnashers).


      ~*~How should you brush a dog's teeth?~*~

      It's best to start this in puppyhood and reward the dog with lots of praise. Little and often is a good idea, gradually building up to brushing all the teeth in one go. Most vets' will sell little plastic toothbrushes that are designed to fit over your finger which you may find makes things easier; personally I opt for a child's toothbrush that I clean in boiling water on a regular basis.


      ~*~Why Logic?~*~

      It seems to work and Neelix quite likes the taste of it. Neelix tolerates having his teeth brushed under sufferance but makes it pretty clear that he doesn't particularly enjoy the experience. When I asked in the vets' if there were any alternatives the only product they had on offer was a supplement that is added to the drinking water. This seemed like a much better proposition until one of the veterinary nurses confided that it supposedly tastes quite bitter and most dogs will avoid drinking their water because they don't like the taste. Neelix already drinks puddles with gusto any time we're out and he's been known to take the odd cheeky chug out of the toilet, so I didn't want to buy anything that would discourage him from drinking out of his own bowl. Aside from all that, this product is also suitable for cats and all two of my kitties will eat it straight from the tube while the third will lick it off his paws. Obviously trying to encourage cats to have their teeth brushed is to take your life in your hands, but Logic claim that just ingesting the stuff is still beneficial as it mixes with the animal's saliva and prevents tartar build up. Whilst this seems like a lot of marketing hype, having used the stuff a fair bit I can understand the claim: the toothpaste has a thick, gelatinous quality and I can imagine it really would adhere to the surface of the teeth effectively.


      ~*~Where to buy~*~

      Most vets' surgeries seem to have it in stock, but it's often priced way over the odds. Much better prices are to be found online if you don't mind searching back and forth between various pet websites. It can usually be bought for between £10 and £12.


      ~*~Any negatives?~*~

      The smell isn't terribly noticeable, but a close-up whiff reveals that it isn't overly pleasant. The animals seem to like it, which is the main thing, but if you get it on your hands it's a bit sticky and meaty. There seems to be a lot of residue which gets crusted on the tube and around the lid and it can make cleaning the toothbrush out a bit fiddly but those are pretty minor gripes really.

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        14.07.2010 23:51
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        The cat actually likes it!

        Logic is - put simply - a toothpaste for cats and dogs. It looks like a normal toothpaste and comes in tube just like human toothpaste. I squeezes out of the top as normal toothpaste does and isn't too gooey, so not too messy. It's more of a gel than a paste. I've only used it on my cat so I don't know how good it is for dogs.

        My cat's teeth are a bit manky, so I bought this off the Pet Meds website - it advises either brushing your pet's teeth with your finger or by popping a splodge on their paw to lick it off.

        I quite like my hands and arms as they are, so in the interests of self-preservation, I first attempted to put this on the paw. In turns out I didn't need to, the cat quite likes this and licks it out of the tube. He does sometimes refuse it, but that's purely to anny me and remind me who's boss, rather than anything to do with the paste. I admit my cat will eat pretty much anything (he loves pasta) but it beats having to chase him or pin him down - as I have to with his worming tablets! Thumbs up for the ease of applying!

        Are his teeth any better? Well that's hard to say. I've only been using it on him for a few months so it will take a bt longer to know that. I also give him Iams as the vet receommnded them for his teeth too. But for a few pounds, it certainly beats the alternatve of future kitty dental work!

        This is a good little product - cheap, easy to apply, the cat finds it quite tasty and it might help prevent painfula nd expensive surgery. What's not to like?

        It cost me about six pounds and I use it a couple of times a week on the cat (it does say use daily but I have the memory of a goldfish) and there's still plenty left.

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          21.06.2010 12:12
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          This product is a superb find and has saved me so much grief.

          One of the joys of having a daughter for a vet is really getting to understand which animal products work, and which are a lot of money for very little benefit. This is helped along by the occasional gift of some product nearing its use by date, which is always very welcome in our house!

          Logic Gel dog and cat toothpaste is a gem of a product, which I came across primarily as a freebie donated by my daughter, as it was nearing the date it could be sold to clients. As it happened it couldn't have been more appropriate, as one of my cats, Lily. had just been to the vets for her annual vaccinations, where we received some devastating news. Firstly that she had a major heart murmur, and secondly that her teeth were a line of crumbling gravestones, which in her best interest needed to be removed. However, in view of the heart murmur this was far too dangerous to undertake without major investigations, so thanks to our insurer's Petplan we went up to The Royal College to see the specialist cardiology team at the referral centre in London. Here she received the most incredible cardiac work up, and was placed on beta blockers. This led to an eventual recommendation. that with adequate care and monitoring she could go ahead with the dental work under anaesthetic.

          Despite this reassurance, the procedure still carried a higher mortality rate than normal, but with gravestones for teeth, which can also endanger the heart through the bacteria they contain being carried to the heart in the circulation, we knew that the dental work would have to be undertaken a few weeks later after another referral appointment.

          In the meantime we had the Logic toothpaste and decided to try to clean them ourselves, with the intention really of making her more comfortable whilst awaiting the operation. The toothpaste contains enzymes which attack the bacteria thus reducing the plaque on the teeth. The gel also contains a mild abrasive, which itself boosts the action of the animal's own saliva. For cats and small dogs like my Molly only 1cm of gel is needed per day, so a tube will last quite a long time.

          It can be very difficult to catch Lily as she is rather a fast mover despite her heart condition, but we became quite confident giving her the medication for her heart, and then rubbing the paste onto her teeth. No brush was needed; in fact I wouldn't use a brush as her teeth looked so bad at the start I felt sure they would cave in!

          After two months we went to the vet for a check up to book Lily in for surgery. What we were told was incredible. Her teeth were so much improved, the inflammation around the gums was gone, and there was no clinical need to risk the dental work after all.

          With this news the entire menagerie I own were put on Logic, and to my amazement Molly, my dog who had been told last year that she would need a dental this summer, recently went for her check up to be told that it was no longer necessary! I do use a brush on her teeth, rather than my finger, but other than that the technique is the same. Just try to be vigilant and persistent and make sure no day goes by without using the product. In the case of Molly I like to do this last thing at night after she has eaten. Logic also makes chews impregnated with the enzymes which she loves, and these compliment the toothpaste beautifully, and have kept her away from the need to have surgery.

          Routine dental extractions are commonplace now in veterinary surgeries, and many animals live into their old age without many teeth left at all and cope beautifully. Still, having to endure these surgeries does carry a small mortality risk, which increases with age, and if they can be avoided so much the better.

          Over the years I have used many different types of toothpaste on my dogs and cats, but this is by far the best and the results have been amazing. Produced by Ceva Animal Health Limited, this toothpaste is available from vet surgeries and on-line. This is one of the products I now purchase mail order from www.vetuk.co.uk where it retails for £5.73.

          Over many decades of animal ownership I have, until recently, just accepted the need for routine dental procedures, but now feel I have a weapon with which to tackle the problem. I do feel some animals may not respond as well as mine have, as dental disease seems to attack some more than others, but if there is anything which removes or reduces the frequency of the agonising day you have to hand over your pet for surgery, then it has to be worth it. These procedures also carry a hefty price tag which isn't always covered by insurance.

          Some animals will allow you to use this product on them, some will kick up a lot of fuss, and in the case of cats they can be very elusive - often missing when required! Take care with your finger too, and wash well afterwards with an anti-bacterial hand wash or use a finger stall. Puppies can be trained to accept this from an early age and you can also buy a set containing the gel and a toothbrush which retails for £8.68. Most animals quite like the taste and accept it. My dog Molly is so used to it now that she sees it as part of her bedtime routine!

          Logic Toothpaste has saved my cat a major operation which carried a high mortality rate. A small price to pay for a calendar free from this risky day.

          This review is also posted on Ciao by myself under my user name Violet1278.

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            An easy way to help your cat with their dental health

            Not too long ago my cat, Snoopy, had to go to the vet to have a couple of teeth removed. I spent the whole day worrying over him, and was so relieved to get to the vet in the evening to pick him up. The relief didn't last for long. While I was cooing over Snoopy and tickling his chin through the bars of his carrybox, I became aware that the vet was saying something awful to me. "...and as well as changing his food, you'll have to brush his teeth of course."

            Let me tell you a little bit about Snoopy. He's five years old, and he's a big cat. He's not fat, he's just huge. He was the runt of his litter, so when at 8 weeks old he was tiny, small enough to fit in a wine glass, and I didn't think twice about letting him play with my hands with his soft teeth and claws. Five years on and he can still be a little bitey and scratchy. I don't blame him for this, it's my fault, and it's never aggressive - he just thinks that's how we play.

            So you can understand my concern over the words "brush his teeth". But it got worse. The vet went on to explain that I should put a little of the toothpaste she was waving at me on my finger and rub it on Snoopy's teeth. Oh joy.

            The toothpaste in question is Logic gel, for use on cats or dogs. It looks just like a tube of human toothpaste, but the gel is a funny beige colour. It comes with a small applicator for cats and small dogs, so you don't have too much coming out of the tube at once. For cats it says to use 1cm of gel - I take this to mean squeeze out a 1cm long helping.

            So, back to Snoopy...I was a coward. I waited a few days before attempting this. However, on reading the pack I discovered that I could put the toothpaste on Snoopy's paw and he would lick it off, which was a suitable way of giving it to him. But as the vet had told me to rub it on his teeth, I thought I'd better try that.

            At this point it occurred to me that this was going have more problems than just Snoopy trying to eat me. How on earth was I going to hold him, keep his legs from flailing, open his mouth and get the gel on his teeth? Nevertheless, I got a towel, snuck up on him and wrapped it around him. That annoyed him straight away and the squirming started. I got a bit of the gel on my finger, and approached his face...in trying to open his mouth with the same hand the gel was on, I got it all over his face.

            Snoopy ran off in disgust and proceeded to noisily wash his face. I then realised maybe there was a reason the instructions gave an alternative to rubbing the gel on a cats teeth.

            The following day (for this is to be done daily), I put some gel on my finger, and wondered about how to get it on Snoopy's paw. Cats don't just come along with their paws held out for toothpaste like kids do for sweets. Also, Snoopy isn't the brightest of cats and would more than likely traipse it all over my carpets instead of licking it off. So I approached him, talking nicely to him, and held my finger with the gel out to him...he sniffed, and then SLURP, it was gone!

            It seemed I had cracked it...not only did I have a way of giving him his toothpaste which meant I got to keep my fingers, but he seemed to like it!

            Snoopy has been getting his toothpaste every day, and it's like giving him a treat. He really enjoys it. One day he knocked it off my finger, but undeterred he licked it off the carpet.

            If you find your vet giving you this for your cat, or if you choose to use it yourself, my advice is to feed it to the cat from your finger! Safe and painless.

            Time will tell if it works in terms of protecting against further tooth problems, but I'm happy in the knowledge that I'm doing all I can to spare him further problems. I'd prefer to get the gel directly onto his teeth, but it is apparently just as effective letting him eat it. The gel mixes in with his saliva and gets onto his teeth that way.

            It could be a couple of years before I know if this has had the desired effect, and the vet did warn me that Logic is more effective on some cats than others. At 5 years, Snoopy is quite young to have had teeth problems, particularly with a mainly dry diet, so it may be that he is more susceptible to teeth issues.

            I got my 70ml tube of Logic from the vet for £5, but having done a quick search it seems to be available online. I think this tube will last around 6 months, given the small amount we use each day. And I think that it is absolutely worth it if it spares Snoopy having to have more teeth work done.

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              29.05.2009 15:55
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              A good method of keeping plaque down for dogs and cats between vists to the vet

              Logic Gel is, effectively, a doggy (or catty) toothpaste.

              It's well known that human toothpaste is bad for most animals, including dogs and cats. Logic Gel helps keep down plaque levels in between visits to the vets.

              The gel itself comes in a toothpaste-like tube with a nozzle attachment which allows you to vary the size of the bead of gel that you squeeze out. The idea is a narrow bead for a small animal and a wider one for a larger animal.

              The gel can be applied in one of two ways.

              The main method is to squeeze a bead onto a finger and then rub it onto the animal's teeth or gums. Alternatively mix it with a small amount of food. This latter method is particularly effective if the animal has dry food. The makers suggest that it can also be applied to an animal's leg and they will lick it off. Our cross-breed collie didn't and ended up with a sticky leg so we won't be doing that again.

              The manufacturers do not recommend that this is used on an animal toothbrush. They say that the gel contains enzymes and "mild abrasive agents". The gel also makes the animal salivate which then washes the enzymes around their mouth and the gel is rather sticky so one assumes that helps it stick to the teeth. The enzymes help loosen the plaque and the abrasives clean the teeth.

              It should be said that this isn't a substitute for having regular check-ups at a vet's. But as a between-visits measure we have found it very helpful in keeping our dog's teeth healthy.

              It's hard to give a definitive answer as to how effective it is because we've only got one dog. A comparison with a dog not using Logic is therefore very hard for us. All I can say is that the vet is pleased with his teeth.

              A 70g tube costs around £9 from our vets or can be had for £6-£7 online. It typically lasts two months.

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