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String the B*******s up I say! (Capital punishment)

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Capital punishment

Date: 07/02/02 (409 review reads)
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I've heard about it. And I been told about it. And now ... and now I've had one!!
I'm talking about the nightmare that every dooyooer fears. I'm talking about an emotion that grabs you by the jugular and squeezes. Squeezes until your mind is blank and the words don't appear let alone flow. I'm talking writers block! And this is probably not the best of topics to 'unblock with' but in a wordless sea of thoughts, for some reason, these ones kept floating to the top .............

[In advance, I apologise for the content of this opinion. It might offend, and it might not, but I feel in order to get my point across the contents are justified. I feel in order to inform just how strong my thoughts on this subject are, the following is needed]

CASE 1 ~ It's a hot summers day. You pop indoors for a moment in order to get a drink for your 3 year old daughter. She's playing happily and will not notice you're even gone. The phone rings, and you return with the drink 5 minutes later, Your daughter is gone. The gate is left swinging open. In your panic you drop the drink and run for the gate, your daughter is nowhere to be found. 7 hours later your daughter is found raped and mutilated in a nearby field. There is DNA on the body, and when caught and questioned the animal confesses. He was watching the house. He's done this before. What is the punishment?

CASE 2 ~ It's a bright spring day. The morning started well. The kids behaved themselves as they got ready for school. You dropped them off leaving them in the usually safe environment of the local school and head off to do the family shopping. On returning laden down with carrier bags the answer phone is flashing and a message to phone your sons school immediately is left. You ring and are informed to get to the school without fail. But you are too late. Your son died 5 minutes earlier from internal bleeding caused by a bullet coming from an
animal that opened fire on a classroom of 27 6 years old. The animal then turned the gun on himself, and whether it was fate, or bad luck he was the only one he didn't shoot and kill that day. What is the punishment?

CASE 3 ~ Christmas Eve. Your husband rings as he leaves the local pub to walk home. He's been out with his friends from work. 'I'll be home in 20 minutes love', he says. 30 minutes later and you head for the window to peer out. 40 minutes later and you fell uneasy. 50 minutes later you start to worry. You know how long it takes to walk from the pub. 53 minutes later there's a knock on the door, Its ok, he's forgotten his key, you run to let him in, but on answering 2 policemen stand there, solemn faced, and you just know what they are going to say. Your husband of 14 years, and father of 3 children, 4, 6, and 9 was killed tonight by a drunk driver. 17 times over the legal limit. The animal that did this is now in Police custody. What is the punishment?

CASE 4 ~ 'Right Mum, I'm off to pick Dad up. Are you sure there?s nothing you need?' you say as you leave the sheltered accommodation of your 80 year old parents and head for the local working mans club where your father has enjoyed a glass of stout once a week for neigh on 60 years. 'No, I'm alright love, we did the shopping yesterday, get along with you, and be careful', says the little grey haired old lady as she limps through to the hall to see you out. Instinctively you kiss her before reaching for the keys and heading off to collect your Dad, That was the last time you saw you Mother alive. You return to find the door swinging open, and her body lying in the lounge with her head kicked in, and her purse empty. She had £1.38 in her purse that morning. The Police, doing their job find the culprit, a 19 year old, first job, it was a dare. He was stupid, he left fingerprints. What is the punishment?

Ask the parents, the frien
ds and the family of these victims, who are indeed victims themselves and wait for the reply. I sincerely doubt that there will be any that opts for imprisonment as retribution?

Now, I know that two wrongs don't make a right. However, when another human being, and I use the term 'human' lightly, takes the life of another, wilfully, and with no remorse death is the ultimate punishment. When another 'human being' takes the life of another due to a complete and utter lack of respect for their fellow man the ultimate punishment is death.

Take for instance the drink driver. Now, he probably walked into the pub knowing he was going to drink. He also probably walked into the pub knowing that he was going to drive home. Why didn't he stop after one drink? Why didn't he get a taxi home? Why? Because he had no respect for those around him. Did the man, the father, the husband he killed deserve to die? No, but he had no choice in the matter, he died anyway. Does the driver deserve to die? He knew he was doing wrong. He took another mans life. He deserves to die.

How about the gunman? He probably knew what he was doing when he walked into the school. Or the crowded shopping mall. When he loaded the gun and took aim, he knew what he was doing. He knew what he was doing when he started to pick off innocent people one by one. Did the children he killed deserve to die? No, but they had no choice in the matter. Does the gunman deserve to die? What's the point of keeping him alive really? In all honestly, can you see a reason? He deserves to die.

What about the mugger? He knew that taking something from some one was wrong. And yet, he still did it. He knew that kicking in the head of a defenceless old lady was wrong. Did it stop him doing it? No. Did the woman deserve to die. No, but then again, she had no choice did she. Does the mugger deserve to die? Well, why should he have the choice of living? He didn'
;t give his victim the choice did he. He deserves to die.

And, how about the rapist. Or the paedophile. Or those that murder for fun. They knew what they were doing was wrong. Is it normal behaviour to mutilate bodies or force women and children to do things they don?t want to?
Do rapists give their victims a chance to say no? Do they give the children a chance to say no? What right do they have to ruin peoples lives? Do they deserve a second chance? Not in my eyes. No. Why should they have another chance? You have to prove worthy of being given a second chance, but there are some things that just can not be forgiven. He deserves to die.

Take for instance Myra Hindley. Why is she still alive? What good is it doing to anybody? As far as I can see, by letting her live, it is doing nothing but making a mockery of the lives she took. The innocent lives.
On average, a prison inmate costs the tax payer approx. £3500 a week to keep. Theoretically, her victims are paying to keep her alive. Paying to keep her alive while she KILLED their loved ones. I can see no justice in this at all.
If in fact there is any ....?

Maybe if we had a justice system that actually worked, the threat of losing ones freedom, and what would ensue during their time inside, would deter the pointless taking of innocent lives. However, the British justice system is a joke. The court rooms play host to crusty gout ridden old men that wouldn't know justice if it was to smack them on the snout.
Todays prison system is also a joke. These places are no punishment. And while there are people fighting for the rights of prisoners they will continue to be a joke. As far as I'm concerned, once you break the law, for what ever reason, you cease to have rights. Or rather you cease to have as many rights as an innocent person has. You most certainly cease to have rights in order to make your life more pleasurable.
There is no way that you should be entit
led to have a say in how you live while incarcerated. And yet, prisons are filled with TV's and Videos, recreation, courses are made available etc, etc. Why, it sounds just like Butlins. Ok, so the inmates have lost their freedom, but lets face it, is it such a hard cross to bear when their lives inside have been made so comfortable? I think not.

Y'know, some Far Eastern, and Arabic countries have the right idea. A touch barbaric for some maybe, but totally just.
If you are caught stealing .... you have you hand chopped off. If you kill another, you pay with your life. To a supposedly civilised world this sounds somewhat extreme, however this form of punishment works.
I'm not saying that we should resort to hand chopping [not straight away at least] but in such cases as old ladies being mugged for paltry sums, and the such like, it does sound favourable don't you think? Very favourable.
Having certain other parts chopped off when found guilty of rape and paedophilia sounds favourable too. Definitely a tattoo upon the forehead telling the next door neighbours, indeed the world of the crime what the wearer has committed!! Let the people know what sort of animal they have in their midst. What sort of people they have to live with.

I wonder how many robbers, muggers, and burglars would risk taking something that wasn't theirs if they risked losing a hand? I wonder if people that kill would do so knowing that they faced death themselves?

I know that things are not always cut and dry. Sometimes mistakes happen and there have been times when the wrong people have been found guilty. They have spent years in prison only to be let free with a pardon, an apology and several thousand pounds of compensation. And yes, cases such as these are reason for CP to not return. However, in cases when there is no doubt [the Oklahoma Bomber ~ Myra Hindley to name just a couple] either through evidence or admital of guilt the pena
lty should be death.

Now, I have read a couple of opinions on this subject now, and have to say that the thoughts on this are somewhat diverse. Polls done up, down and across the country tell that the majority of people want to bring back CP. And yet, the consensus I get from my fellow 'oppers' is that the people that kill, maim and disfigure are in need of help rather than of retribution. I have to say, I can not comprehend this at all. Call me heartless, barbaric, unforgiving, or what you will, but I can not understand this attitude at all. I try. I fail.

I'm well aware that there are those of you that will disagree with this opinion. My views. And I can see the comments now. But I ask you one thing, if you had the knock on the door that announced the arrival of two policemen with the news that no person really should have, would you feel satisfied that justice had been done knowing that the chances are the perpetrator of the crime towards a member of your family, a friend or a loved one, would be free again after his time in a holiday camp with bars. Free to kill again. Free to wreck another family.

I wonder if you would feel sympathy for the animal that took away your son, daughter, mother, or father? I wonder if you would still think 'he needs help' rather than a punishment.

I wonder?



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Suzan

- 06/04/02

I rated your op as VU because it is well thought out,well written and presented and coherent.But I totally disagree with what you say.State sanctioned murder is still murder.My conscience will not allow me to vote for the taking of life in any instance.Have you ever read the procedure for the state execution of a felon,as practised by our American cousins? Chillingly clinical and very cold blooded.If a loved one of mine was murdered,I know I would feel pain,and sorrow and yes,anger.But could I flick the switch to send another on his way to Eternity? Dear Lord,I do hope not!
crispy

- 11/03/02

Ooo, controversial! A very brave piece of writing. I think I agree with you in that there should definitely be an *option* of sentencing someone to death for their crimes. Agreed, there will always be problems of absolute evidence and mitigating circumstances, but I think capital punishment should be a possibility at the extreme end of the justice spectrum.

A few more specific comments...

Rabi dsquirrel - Yeah, and maybe someone should go and tuck the prisoners in every night and read them a bedtime story too!

Scotgirl - I doubt if people would confess to crimes they didn't commit if they knew they potentially faced the death penalty...

David buttery - If a society feels that people deserve to die, what is obscene about the society condemning them to death? Although I do agree that it would be a good start if the police were actually half-way likely to catch criminals in the first place :)

Amandaaspinal - If my child had committed any of the offences used as examples in this opinion I doubt I would ever look at them as my child again. Wrong is wrong, whether it's your child or not. (and I think a lot of parents of juvenile thugs could do with hearing that!)
karen22382

- 10/03/02

Putting murderers away for the rest of their lives doesn't help society or the criminals. I read alot of books about murderers, how they were caught and the punishment they received. A man in colombia raped and murdered about 60 children. He said he liked children because they cried. He got 6months in prison per child because that was the law over there at the time.
A serial killer was locked up in a pyscho hospital as teen for murdering a young boy. He was released at 21 even though he told them he wasn't ready. He murdered a woman within walking distance from the hospital. It was years before the police arrested him and by then he'd killed many people. Killers don't give their victims a option. Why should they be above the law? If they can take life then theres should be taken.
On the subject of mistaken arrests, forensics are so advanced now and are bettering themselves all the time and death row is a lengthy wait. Good op

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