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      12.03.2011 13:54
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      Probably one of the least worst bonus systems that could be used here

      (I am aware that there is a "Dooyoo Crowns" category. However, I submitted a piece to that ages ago; and this review is from a completely different perspective, considering as it does my thoughts both from the point of view of a guide and relating to the current tiered rewards system. That being so, this seemed the best place to put this one.)

      == Introduction ==

      The Dooyoo Crowns system is, at least on the face of it, pretty simple: every week, a number of the reviews that the powers that be consider to be the best are awarded a crown. If you get one of these on a review, you get 1500 dooyooMiles - £1.50 in monetary terms - added on to whatever you earn from the review through conventional writing and reading miles. Inevitably, though, as in any community of human beings (apologies to any animals or aliens reading!) there are always rumours and speculation floating around about bias, unfairness and the like.

      On the whole, I think it's a pretty solid system. I can think of a few tweaks that might benefit it, but those I'll come to as we go along. The key point is that it's awarded by the admins on quality grounds, rather than simply on the basis of how many VU ratings a review has achieved. It *is* beneficial to you to get your review plenty of attention, since then you're more likely to be nominated by someone... and since the best way to get ratings yourself is to rate plenty of other people's reviews (a point that a surprising number of members don't seem to grasp) it also acts as an incentive to stay active on the site.
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      == Categories ==

      You can win a crown in anything other than the non-paying Archive categories. In the old days, when food reviews paid the same as hi-fi ones, the impact on your earnings would be similar whatever you were crowned for, but now we have a three-tier system (you can also be crowned for Discussion reviews, but we'll leave that aside here) it has become rather more skewed. For example, imagine that you have written a crowned review that has been read 50 times by members - the number is of course chosen for its easy maths! Then, sparing you the maths - for now! - the percentage of your total mileage from the crown would be:

      Level 1: 48%
      Level 2: 59%
      Level 3: 71%

      This looks like a potential stumbling block for the site, since it supports the idea that if you're writing about, say, iPods (Level 1) then you need not worry about aiming for crown-worthy quality quite as much as you would when writing about DVDs (Level 3). In reality, it's unlikely to cross the minds of the churners, since there's no chance of their reviews being crowned in the first place. However, it does at least give some slight compensation to those of us who have seen their favourite categories' average worth steadily downgraded since the current system came in...

      However, before you rush off, already working out what you need to write about: there is not an unlimited supply of crowns. Take a look at the relevant statistics page (go to Community Home > Writers and Readers > Members with Most Crowns) and you'll see what I mean. At the time of writing, nobody had won more than seven crowns in the last 30 days, and only nine had obtained five or more. Clearly, then, you are going to have to do your homework if you want that nice big "Crowned Review" seal sitting proudly at the top of your piece.

      == What to write ==

      It's probably necessary at this point, given the number of people who write for both sites, to stress one thing: Dooyoo is not Ciao, and the Crowns system does not work in the same way as Ciao's Premium Fund. Never say never, but you're most unlikely to win a crown here by writing a review of a hotel running to 7,000 words and mentioning every speck of dust on your window-sill. Conversely, it seems much easier for a crisp, concise, 800-word review to be rewarded here than over in the Other Place. With my consumer hat on, I think this is probably a good thing: it *is* possible for a review to be just *too* detailed, especially for reading on a computer screen.

      On the subject of which *categories* to write in: let's be honest here; the Levels give you a pretty good idea of what sort of review Dooyoo wants. Have a look at the "Newest Crowns" page (Community Home > Writers and Readers > Newest Crowns) and you'll see that to the end of the fifth page - 250 crowns in all - takes you back about a month. However, use the drop-down box at the top to filter by category and you'll see a stark difference between the most and least crowned subject areas. So, are the most profitable categories also those which win the most yellow hats?

      I'm afraid we're going to have to do a little number-crunching now. There's no point in saying which categories get the most and least crowns without also considering how many reviews are submitted to them in the first place. So, what I shall do is to compare how long it takes a category to amass 250 *reviews* with how long it takes that same category to pile up 50 *crowns*. I'm not going to use rigorously worked examples for every single category, since that would take forever - as well as being tremendously dull - but I will use a rough'n'ready measure that should be broadly comparable across categories.

      == The bit with the sums in! ==

      Choosing the category I co-guide, Photography, a glance at the recent reviews list will tell us that 250 reviews are submitted in around nine days. (It's a pretty busy category!) As for crowns, the last 50 crowns have taken 185 days to be awarded. That gives us a Crown Index of 185 / 9 = 20.6. On the other hand, the classic example of a category unloved by the "crown court" is Food & Drink. 250 reviews here take about five days to come in. However, go back 50 crowns and you're way back in *May 2009* - around 660 days ago. Let's divide this by the first number (five), to give us a Crown Index of 660 / 5 = 132. So it seems to be 6.4 (132 / 20.6) times harder to get a crown in Food & Drink than it is in Photography.

      In fact, it's even *more* difficult than the above makes it appear: crown awards for Food & Drink have dried up almost completely in recent times, and in the last three months there has been precisely *one* awarded. The review in question is certainly very good, but I simply fail to believe that it's the *only* food review of that standard that's been submitted since the start of December. I'm not keen on the site keeping the theoretical possibility alive with no (or very little) chance of its becoming reality; I think Dooyoo should either be a *little* less stingy with the headgear here, or remove this category from crown eligibility altogether.

      You also have to consider the fact that Level 1 categories such as Photography attract a very high level of exceptionally poor-quality reviews: that covers both the outright cheats and those (often very new) members who rush out five 150-word specials on their first day. However, because Food & Drink is not a high-paying category, there's much less incentive for such behaviour and so a higher proportion of reviews there are, at worst, honest attempts. I don't have the figures on this, but I'd be willing to bet that if you stripped out the truly useless reviews, the gap between Photography and Food & Drink crowns would be even wider than 6.4:1.

      == Do guides get a special advantage? ==

      I am, at the time of writing at least, a guide myself, and declare this interest openly! But the honest answer to the above question is "yes, but...". You only have to look at the "Most Crowns" list I mentioned above to see that guides do indeed do pretty well on the whole. However, the reasons members are asked to be guides in the first place include the quality of their own submitted reviews and their commitment to the Dooyoo community in general. So, really you're asking, "Do members who've written consistently good reviews and put in the legwork elsewhere get a special advantage?" Doesn't sound so unfair now, does it!

      There's another side to the question, though, which is whether guide's *nominations* have extra attention given to them. I don't know for sure (contrary to some rumours, we guides are not *absolutely* omniscient!) but I wouldn't be surprised if they were. After all, by definition we read an awful lot of reviews, especially in our specialist category, and our comments carry some weight because we're supposed to know what we're talking about! (And we do, we do, he added hastily...) So the answer is probably "Yes, but it's hardly surprising." Again, not the great scandal some might make it out to be.

      == Should anything be changed? ==

      Beyond the small points I've already made, I tend to think that the crowns system works quite well. Most of the other things that annoy me are not so much a result of the setup itself but of related and peripheral matters. I'm not keen, for example, on making crown nominations public. Anyone can say "Nom!" but - unlike with Ciao's "exceptional" rating - there's no way for you to tell whether or not they've backed up their words with actions. Ideally I'd like to see *nobody* leave that kind of comment, though I can't see it happening. That said, I'd even prefer *all* nominations to be public over the vague mix of public and private we have now.

      The 1500-mile (£1.50) reward is about right, I think. Much less than that and it would not be enough to give your mileage a substantial boost; much more and it would probably start to engender serious jealousy from members who felt that what they felt were their own equally good reviews had been overlooked. I do *not* think that it would be a good idea to make this amount a tiered matter, so that excellent Level 3 reviews earned yet less; there has to be *some* incentive for people to continue writing on a wide range of topics, rather than desperately submitting three dozen reviews of different cold cures (Level 1 as I type this!) every month.

      == Conclusion ==

      While the Dooyoo Crowns system is by no means perfect, and could probably be tweaked to be a little better than it is at the moment, overall I think it has broad support in the community and is generally seen to reward good quality writing. It also benefits Dooyoo itself, in that being awarded a crown is seen as a message of encouragement from the admins, and as such encourages good writers to continue to submit to the site. So long as it can maintain standing upon those pillars, it would seem to need no significant alteration.

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        05.08.2010 15:26
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        Good idea/site, bad treatment of reviewers, disappointed

        At first this seemed worth it, a decent review site where I could let my opinions loose and earn bit of money on the side, but now I'm starting to regret choosing it. I've been a member for 3 days now, contributing around 14 reviews. But for some reason, 6 of them have been locked for no reason what so ever, I received an email from dooyoo telling me my reviews had been locked for padding, which is basically including things that don't need to be included which is a load of rubbish. I feel that I have been slightly abused in the way of rewards as I was racking up a decent 8,000 points but that has now dropped to 4,000 and quite frankly unless dooyoo give me a firm reason for this I will be telling all of my friends (of which most are regular dooyoo users) about my experience and recommending future people who think about joining not too as I'm very disappointed at the appalling customer service

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          17.06.2010 16:39
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          Works for me

          I really don't understand why so much fuss has been created following the rather small changes in the dooyoo rewards system. I'm just amazed that there are some members so short on the personal life front that they would fill their home page with rants about how they're taking their bat and ball and going home because it turns out that nobody thinks their 30000 word film review was worth much after all.

          When you write a review, write it because you've got the product, you want to share your opinion on it, and you appreciate getting a few pence back for doing so. How many other opportunities are there in life to not only get paid for giving your opinion, but to give it freely like you can on dooyoo anyway?

          I think dooyoo made the changes in the right places myself, though a slightly higher payment for expensive electrical appliances and home entertainment wouldn't have gone amiss (hint hint), I agree that food reviews should only be worth 10p and I'm rather pleased that film reviews might get so short I stand a chance of finding them useful for a change! In all honesty, I tend to go to Amazon a lot more than I go to Dooyoo for film reviews purely because of how long a lot of the reviews on here are. When I'm thinking about spending £3 or £4 on a DVD, I want to make my decision in five minutes not half an hour.

          Regardless of whether you agree with the changes or not, they've happened, let's get on with it. If you don't think your getting paid enough for your time then go and write for a newspaper or magazine if you think you're enough of a professional to do so. You don't have to write reviews for dooyoo, it's just a (supposedly fun) reward scheme that helps people to make consumer decisions.

          Regardless of the odd payment delay here and there, over all, I've been paid really swiftly by dooyoo for all the time I've been a member here. I've never had a review locked and I've even had a few crown bonuses too. I've had hundreds of pounds from my review writing hobby over the years and will happily continue regardless of the recent changes. It pays to give my opinion here - works for me.

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            17.06.2010 15:58
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            dooyoo's finances must be in trouble.

            Dooyoo has very recently changed its rewards system, so now reviews of different products generate different amounts of doyoo miles. Things are still ok for anyone with a toaster or vacuum cleaner fetish, as electrical item reviews get 50p per review plus 2p per read, but anyone who enjoys writing reviews of films, music or other similar entertainment products is pretty much screwed, as they now only get 10p per review plus 1p per read.

            This is pretty much an insult, putting dooyoo on a par with Ciao in terms of sheer tightfistedness. Its just not worth writing an insightful, intelligent and informative review of a film or an album for a measly ten pence, so effectively dooyoo is once again encouraging users to churn out mediocre tripe, only now more so. I imagine a lot of users will leave now, but yet others will just up their tripe-ratio by a multiple of five, in order to bring the same amount of money in as before thus filling the site with yet more churned out rubbish.

            The obvious question to ask is "why bother"? Why bother putting the effort in for one fifth of the reward? The sensible response would be to write reviews of one fifth the quality of before. That is the message that doyoo seems to be sending out to a large percentage of its writers.

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              16.06.2010 12:39
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              Things had to change

              I've been a member of Dooyoo for five and a half years now (has it really been that long?) and in that time the rewards system has drastically changed on more than one occasion. From speaking to even longer standing members, I know that there had been further changes before I joined. And guess what, after each of the changes there's been a furore, members have been vocal, upset and some have threatened to leave while others actually have left, but Dooyoo has survived and a large percentage of writers are still on the site and still writing. That's because for most of us, the pennies Dooyoo gives are a bonus, and the real reward comes from sharing our opinions and experiences.

              ---------Dooyoo from days gone by--------

              When I first joined Dooyoo there wasn't a payment for posting a review, that's right folks we wrote and posted reviews with absolutely no guarantee that we were even going to get a penny for our effort. What we did get was three whole shiny pennies every time another member opened our masterpiece no matter what category it was in or how long ago it had been written. The trouble was that Dooyoo was very, very quiet at that point and even established writers struggled to get more than 20 reads, for the newbie it wasn't unusual to get less than ten. As with now there were a couple of ways that earnings could be topped up, the best of the reviews were rewarded with a shiny crown (worth £1.50) and there was the first review draw, where any first review in chosen categories could win an extra £3.50.

              When it came to cashing out these rewards, unless we cashed out for £100 cheque that would have taken forever to accrue, we were stung with a 'service charge'. I kid you not, we all happily accepted that if we wanted that £10 Amazon voucher, then we would need to collect £12.50 worth of points. And if we were after a £50 cheque, well we needed £55 worth of points. Although the Dooyoo membership was quite small, it was an extremely friendly group, who welcomed new members with open arms, the community side of things was the most rewarding aspect. At that point, the other side (Ciao) was where we first posted our reviews and then we'd transfer them to Dooyoo for the few extra pennies and much more lively debate (albeit in the comments).

              Then a couple of years ago (not sure exactly when, I was on an hiatus), everything changed. In an attempt to gain more members, writing more reviews, giving more content and therefore more traffic, Dooyoo changed the payment structure. All of a sudden as long as it wasn't in the Dooyoo Lounge (does anyone else still think of it as Speaker's Corner), any review posted was rewarded with 50p and although the miles per read rate was reduced it was still a very healthy 1.5p for the first 6 months (and then nothing). It worked, the site was inundated by new members, who couldn't wait to cash in on the seemingly easy money. 150 words for 50p+, it isn't so hard to write 10 short, barely (somewhat) useful paragraphs on the contents of your kitchen cupboard in a hour. What a lot of these churners (as we call them) didn't realise is that Dooyoo aren't stupid, they weren't going to pay out for drivel, it's still quality reviews they were after (just more of them). Unfortunately, although the pay rise was nice, it really wasn't sustainable, especially with the huge influx of new members, some of whom are excellent writers by the way, but many were simply in it for the money and churned out sub-standard review after sub-standard review for the paltry 50p a time.

              -----------And so our reviewing world changed---------

              For Dooyoo to survive in the current financial climate things had to change, I personally don't believe the site could have survived much longer with the indiscriminate reward system. You see Dooyoo makes it's money by selling advertisement space, so it makes sense that they want to encourage those advertisers that are willing to pay the most. And the best way of encouraging those is to have lots of content (and traffic) in those categories where the advertisers want to place their adverts. And so last week Dooyoo introduced a tiered payment system.

              How much money we receive for each review is determined by which category Dooyoo have placed the product in. With three levels of payment for posting a review (plus one non-paying level) and three levels for member reads many reviewers are suddenly finding that their favourite category suddenly pays less, while others are finding they actually pay more. I'm not going to list all the different categories with their payment levels, if you want to know what pays what then go to this page http://members.dooyoo.co.uk/community/_page/faq/#topic2 and it's all there. But the top tier now pays 60p for posting and the 2p per read, while the middle tier pays 30p/posting and 1.5p/read, the lowest 10p/posting and 1p a read and Dooyoo lounge pays nothing for posting and 1p/read. Suffice to say I won't get paid anything for posting this review and will be getting 1p per read. But this hasn't put me off, well if I'd been posting this on the other side (Ciao), I wouldn't have even been paid that penny a read.

              Some of the higher paying categories are a bit a surprise, to be honest. I wouldn't have thought that the kids and family section would have been of such high interest to advertisers. But even if it wasn't, with a 2 month old baby, I would have still been mostly posting in that section, sharing my good and bad experiences of products that I've bought, to hopefully help someone else not make the same mistakes. It's the same with the lowest paying categories, food and drink wasn't a surprise, but travel was, a holiday is a relatively expensive purchase and if I was going abroad, I would extensively research my options. But if Dooyoo just can't get the advertisers for that category then it makes financial sense for them to put it in the lower bracket. What Dooyoo have said is that if things change and categories become more or less valuable (financially) to them then they will move them up (or down) the payment levels. And they will still be awarding crowns across all categories with the payment staying at the same £1.50 across the board.

              -----------The Backlash----------

              As soon as this change was (rather abruptly) announced the furore once more began. Some excellent writers now found their specialist categories down-rated, and even classed as 'less-valuable' and understandably felt upset and unwanted. Now some of this bad feeling could, I'm sure, have been easily avoided simply by Dooyoo wording their announcement better. To be told that your work was less-valuable is quite a kick in the teeth, less lucrative maybe but less valuable is just a step away from 'we don't want you'. The lack of notice also caused some bad feeling, yes there was an announcement on the community page, but this went up literally minutes before the changes took effect, and not everybody reads those pages. It would have been nice if Dooyoo had sent out a blanket email informing us of the new payment system at least a day in advance, but it's their site and if they didn't want to (or think of it) then it's up to them.

              Maybe the greatest effect on the site, is probably a short term one, in that the churners have turned their focus from food and drink to the more highly paying categories. And so the site is currently inundated with perfume, toy and electronics reviews many of which are poor quality with no evidence that the product is owned let alone has been used. The other day, I counted no less than seven perfume reviews in the first page of the new-in list the majority of which I avoided like the plague (I do feel sorry for the guide for that category though). I'm also amazed at how many televisions, cameras, mo bile phones and vacuum cleaners some people seem to own, I reckon some of them have got one for each day of the week. This has made it harder for me to avoid the churners as I've always avoided their previously favourite categories, but actually enjoy reading in most of the (now) higher paying categories and so find myself reading the churners.

              ----------Looking To The Future----------

              While these changes have caused an influx of poorly written reviews in the categories that are notoriously harder to write in, hopefully they will also encourage some of our excellent writers to diversify a little. Looking through my past reviews, I've covered pretty much every category, but the reviews I've always spent longest on are my electronic reviews. They aren't as hard to write as you might imagine, even if you're not technically minded. It's not technical jargon and specs that make one of these reviews useful (or even crown-worthy) it's sharing your experience of using them. I try my best to write this type of review with as little technical jargon in as possible, which is quite difficult when you are very technically minded, because they should be able to be easily read by 'the man on the street' as it were. Go on give it a go, as long as you own the product and have extensively used it, I bet you can write a useful review of your computer or mobile phone.

              For those concerned with all the poorly written reviews in the 'top' categories, there's something we can do about it. Bear the Dooyoo rules in mind when rating the reviews, if you're left with the impression that all the reviewer has done is re-write the specs or product description and hasn't even seen one in real life let alone owned it, then rate accordingly. Unless I see evidence of personal use in a review I won't rate higher than SU and the last week has seen me using the NU button more than ever. By rating these reviews in this way, we are bringing them to Dooyoo's attention. I can't stress enough, if you see a review that is breaking Dooyoo's rules (150 of opinion not description for example), then report it. I'm pretty sure that a lot of these churned reviews with no personal experience are going to end up locked and the writers will be leaving in a huff because 'Dooyoo has conned them'.

              ---------Do I Stay Or Do I Go--------

              The change in the reward system really hasn't affected how I feel about Dooyoo as a whole. I've never really been in it for the money, it's more a hobby for me. Being at home all day with a baby, I'm sure that if I didn't find something to occupy my mind in the quieter times, my brain would turn to mush. I enjoy sharing my experiences of products and services (good and bad) with the general public, I even enjoy reading about other peoples experiences. For me the few pence has always been a bonus, a nice bonus that's fuelled my love of reading, but still a bonus. To me, Dooyoo has never been anywhere nearly a source of income and never will be. If I were writing professionally, I'm sure that the 50p per review would have been an insult anyway. I will continue to write across all categories as I see fit, if I read a book that moves me to share how good or bad it was then I'll still be writing a review, even if I will only get 10p for posting it.

              For me the greatest rewards I've received from my time on Dooyoo haven't been monetary at all. I've received emails from people who have read my reviews, thanking me for warning them about products (or telling them how good I thought something was). I've also made some very good 'virtual' friends, although sadly many of them no longer write on here a few still do. At the same time, my brain is getting a good work out and I've got so much better at expressing myself over the years. So things may have changed, and us reviewers are opinionated so-and-so's who don't like change, aren't we? But what would you prefer, Dooyoo with this new reward system and still getting a few pennies for our work. Or Dooyoo with the old system going bust and therefore unable to pay us for our efforts.

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                16.06.2010 00:48
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                Let's see how it goes... and I await more changes...

                It is late... and while I wanted to write this review, I checked the time (23.12) and decided against it... then, Mr Niff turned to me, out of the blue, and said 'Did you know that after a caffeinated drink you are more likely to accept someone else's opinion?'. It was a sign.

                Coke anyone?

                I am, frankly, a bit baffled with the dooyoo change. If dooyoo make their pennies by traffic through their site, then why isn't that what we are paid for?

                If we were not paid per rate by our fellow contributors then it wouldn't seem quite so unfair. If it was fully accepted that you were paid because you had written a review that was useful to a true consumer, and dooyoo kept us up to date with what products were most popular, this would surely be the fairest way to gain a monetary reward. Or, rather than do away with member rates perhaps a cap of 50 could be introduced, for miles anyway? Then we wouldn't lose the sense of community and we would have a good way of making sure the reviews being published were of an acceptable quality. As a reviewer you may be more excited to write a review if there was an element of surprise in terms of your reward. And we could strive to write reviews that would generate more traffic for the site... more current affairs (I write this with no idea if current affairs are popular) or brand new products.

                It would also save me a lot of the time I spend rating. Sometimes with no reciprocation, this would be less annoying if we had the changes above in place.

                Or something that is in the public eye at this time. My review of Heston & Waitrose's Lemon Tart is in the top 5 for google searches (exciting!) and has over 350 non member reads. Before these impressive stats and the dooyoo change my decision to write a review was based purely on being passionate about a product, rather than the commercial value of the review.

                I have now submitted 2 reviews for level 1 products. I'll admit they are not my best work, but I am desperate for something from Amazon and actually the miles do increase much faster with higher payment and higher rate value. However, they are useful to consumers, they are written from my own experience with the product and I had something important to convey in each case. I have never written a review on a can of coke (still slurping I hope) because I would have felt a bit of a fraud and embarrassed to publish. I still feel guilty about my new level 1 reviews, but I'd have to write twice as many mascara (my fave subject) reviews to earn a similar amount.

                Can dooyoo please tell us how many miles have been awarded for each review? This way we could easily monitor our most profitable reviews and adjust our accordingly.

                Why didn't they even send us all an email? I don't check the home page everyday and only found out about the change through someone else's 'about me'.

                I have never had a problem with churners, they keep the miles topped up. Can an essentially commercial site really be uppity about the reviewers being commercially minded. No, dooyoo are not uppity about that, but it seems some reviewers are.

                We all have our favourite writers and keep going back for more. Sometimes it is refreshing to read a concise straightforward review rather than a load of stuff about my mum. Mum chat can't be very useful to 'outsiders'. Let's not talk about getting rid of anyone, or feeling like they are getting a better deal than you. We all have something we could review in level 1 and just because it doesn't deserve a crown, it doesn't mean it's not actually very useful to a reader actually making a purchase. That is one of the reasons we're here.

                p.s Sorry this is a bit clunky... straight out the melting pot.

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                  Seems to have encouraged the churners even more but it probably wouldn't be so bad without them

                  Now that the dust has had chance to settle after the changes to the DooYooMiles system, I thought I might as well share my thoughts on the situation.

                  I very rarely write reviews from the new top tier as I don't feel that I can write a technology-related review that would definitely be of good use to any consumers who come across it. I've been here for well over a year now, and in that time, I can only remember doing a review of my iPod Nano and more recently, a fragrance review. Other than that, I image that the vast majority of my reviews fall into levels 2 and 3.

                  I tend to write a lot on skincare products (which I think are in level 2 and therefore get me 300 miles per review) but I also do a fair few reviews of books, CDs and websites. Many of these are quite detailed (or were before the changes) and I can easily exceed 1000 words on a thorough CD review. Those are my main bugbears with the changes really, as I have absolutely no problems with accepting the equivalent of 10p for a food review, where it's very hard to be detailed unless you're doing a lot of waffling.

                  I've been rather disappointed with the fact that books, music, and websites and travel fall into the same bracket though and only net 10p. As well as doing some rather detailed reviews myself on these topics (not travel, as that's another area I could never do justice too) I've seen some outstanding reviews in these categories and I don't imagine that these will continue to be posted given the low return. For me, that's a big shame as it's those kind of reviews that bring some impressive quality to the site that lets consumers know that they can trust the reviews that the community is offering up.We've already seen a big influx of not-so-good reviews from reviewers who want to make as much as they can from the top tier while it's available. I can't recall ever having seen so many fragrance reviews at one time before and some reviewers must be reviewing their entire perfume collection or clearing out Boots!

                  I'd prefer it if the minimum word count in the top tier reviews was something in the region of 300 to discourage the churners who just want to whack out a 151-word review and make them put a bit more thought into it for the extra reward. At the moment, they're getting a little bit more than they would have before for barely doing more than the minimum and I can't see how those reviews would be useful to consumers. Many of them are just a run-down of the features of say a laptop, and if I came to DooYoo looking for advice on what type of laptop might suit my preferences and needs, I wouldn't want to have to trawl through tons of those kind of rather pointless reviews to find something helpful. Maybe I'm in a minority but I can't help but feel that the tech-related reviews were more useful before the changes as they weren't being churned out just for the extra 10p.

                  I can see where DooYoo are coming from with the changes but the biggest problem seemed to be the food and drink reviews. I saw lots of member complaints on those type of reviews but I can't remember anyone complaining about the amount of reviews on travel, books, music etc. It'll be interesting to see when the first re-shuffle of the tiers happens and how many categories change tier, just to see often people who don't want to churn out reviews from the current top tier get the chance to write the 60p reviews.

                  I can't see myself leaving DooYoo altogether but once I've redeemed for a cheque (which isn't too far away hopefully), I envisage redeeming for more Amazon vouchers given that it'll take longer to build up 50,000 miles now. I hope that the better reviewers don't leave as I've used quite a few reviews to decide whether to buy a particular book, make-up item or skincare product and it's nice to be able to read about other people's useful experiences of it before I part with my money!

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                    I've been reading a lot of reviews in this category which cover the new dooyoo miles system, and I wanted to add my thoughts to the collection. I'm not going to describe the system here - this is an opinion-based review.

                    Firstly, there seem to be a lot of people complaining that DooYoo didn't mention the changes beforehand, send out a survey etc. I don't have a problem with that in itself, because they were always going to make the changes and there would have been a massive influx of reviews (particularly in food and drink) before it took place. However, I do think that DooYoo needs a better way of communicating (e.g. official announcements appearing at the top of the screen like message alerts, or even just a message), because chancing upon an ad or scrolling through the community news or worst still, reading about it in someone else's review is not the way to do things. (I don't know if any emails were sent because I opt out, but I'm assuming there weren't).

                    I'm also amused by the amount of people saying they aren't here for the money - there are plenty of review sites out there which don't pay so why not try them out? These same people seem to be knocking out reviews in the top tier on a regular basis and complaining about areas that don't pay so much as well. Just be honest, there's no shame in admitting the money is a reason to post or even just a nice bonus.

                    I also don't like the fact that I can't see what level the category/reivew is purely by going to the Write or Product page.

                    Music/Film Reviews

                    I'm going to be controversial here and say that I really like the fact they're tier 3. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for the talented writers who put tons of time and effort into crafting great reviews, but these topics aren't something that appeal to me, and they tend to be overwritten. To be honest, if I want a film review/rating I'll go to IMDB - and music comes under my view of perfume (more on that in a bit). If I like the artist, I'll already own the album or at least have it on my wishlist. I can't tell at all what an album sounds like from reading a description of songs, and people have such personal taste in music anyway that it's rare that my opinion will match up with theirs. If I want to find out about new music, I'll listen to the radio or follow my favourite/suggested artists.

                    Film and music reviews on DooYoo *can* be dangerously prententious for my liking. Some people seem to like to pretend they're broadsheet columnists or something. Less of them can only be a good thing in my opinion, particularly as there's the whole issue of reviewing the product vs reviewing the film.

                    Top Tier Reviews

                    Most of these are understandable. However, I do feel in some cases that certain areas have been 'pushed through', for examples kids' pushchairs reviews are popular because they are expensive mistakes, but things like board games I'm sure have just been pushed through under the general kids' category. So maybe we'll see some more reshuffling as time goes on.

                    I am one of those unlucky people that doesn't own countless laptops, fridges etc. and doesn't have young kids. So it's difficult for me to find topics to write on in the top tier - but I've gone through the areas and found things to write about, and making a list as you go along works well too. It's a good chance to develop writing skills in other areas, though it will be more of a challenge to find products I own and have used extensively enough in the top category.

                    Perfume is one of those surprising top tier ones. I have no idea why this is so highly thought of by DooYoo unless it's for people looking for gifts (if you are buying someone perfume as a present by the way, just bloody ask them what they like in a subtle way or look on their dressing table - or even, y'know, go into a shop and smell some and pick one out yourself). Perfume is impossible to describe in words - it's 'smell' not 'sight' after all, and again it's too dependent on personal taste. You don't necessarily know whether you're reading the review of a 70 year old woman or a 14 year old boy for starters.

                    Food and drink

                    People are complaining that this is so low when it's popular with non-members. Guess what? It's not unless it's a new product. Maybe there could be some time-delay or something, but that would encourage massive influxes of reviews in a short space of time, not to mention making everything more complicated for DooYoo and its members. Food/drink reviews are only popular with members because they are easy to read and easy to write. DooYoo used to have a policy of not allowing bread to be suggested, because they didn't want hundreds of reviews of it. So I personally think that if all this food and drink stuff was restricted by DooYoo as it used to be, then we may not have had such a massive overhaul of the system in the first place.

                    Churners

                    Yes there are a lot more 150 words of rubbish about laptops. Most of the reviews there are poor anyway though, whether they're 150 words or 600. If I'm honest, most of what's written about electronics is only 'Somewhat Useful' to me. It's nice that you're honest enough to admit you don't quite know what RAM is or you think that your computer is 'good', but don't try to blag it by writing about stuff you have no clue about, because it's very obvious and not helpful to potential buyers.

                    Overall, I think there are some good changes and some bad. I am slightly worried that the day will come when I have nothing to write about for more than 10p, and I'm also kind of bored of reading about appliances already, but what can you do?! I'll probably be writing about perfume before I know it.

                    I'd prefer a system like someone else suggested in a review, where it's based on the member not the reviews. So an algorthim based on how many reviews you've rated, how useful your reviews are, how long you've been a member and how many reviews you've written are all used to determine what you're paid, a flat fee which could potentially go up or down over time. This would stop churners in their tracks and also reward DooYoo's funniest, finest and generally pretty spectacular writers and keep them here.

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                      14.06.2010 21:17
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                      Revert back to the old system of equality!

                      I have just found out the news about the changes in rewards on Dooyoo based on the category of the product reviewed, and here are my views. I'd firstly like to apologise for the rather clumsy layout and structure of this review, as I'm writing as things come into my mind opposed to structuring it into specific paragraphs and topics...

                      Dooyoo has been awarding 500 dooyoo miles (50p) for every review written, but now, depending on the category of the product, you are offered the following:

                      Tier 1: 600 Miles, +20 per member view
                      Tier 2: 300 Miles, +15 per member view
                      Tier 3: 100 Miles, +10 per member view

                      Whilst it is great that they have increased the maximum that can be earned per review, there are also lots of negatives.

                      The items in tier one are all high end products that are expensive, infrequently purchased and difficult to review (except for Kids and Family; and Toys and Games). Having done human geography, these products are called luxury goods. Personally, I don't buy cars or laptops frequently at all... The car we've got is like 8 years old, and we've not bought electrical goods for a couple of years.

                      On the other hand, the items in tier two and tier three are everyday products, such as food and drink, healthcare, films and music etc. Perhaps 80-90& of my reviews are Tier 2 and Tier 3.

                      What this means for the average dooyoo reviewer is that they'd almost never get to write a Tier 1 review given the nature of the products and their cost. I know I won't!! What we will start seeing are people running out of things to review and start making up minimal tier 1 reviews that barely verge on useful- which is the opposite of the whole concept of the site!

                      Whilst I agree that Dooyoo should reward the reviews that bring in most revenue, I am also highly against the notion that good review writers should be punished just because their hit category is "unluckily" placed into tier 3. I know many people who specialise in album reviews or dvd reviews, and my heart goes out for them with these new changes.

                      I know I personally enjoy writing most about DVDS, games and CDs. I have the most passion when writing these, and they are generally more enjoyable to read, informative and detailed (even CROWN WORTHY). But knowing they are only worth 10p to Dooyoo, I find highly offensive. As I also write a blog that earns me NO money, I'd rather not be paid for a good piece of writing than be told my writing is worth pennies. I'll keep my dignity, thanks.

                      However, on the plus side, the number of bogus, useless reviews on everyday food products will decrease. As a consumer, I really don't want to be sifting through hundreds of reviews to find a useful one... so I guess that is one good thing. People will be less inclined to write a "not very good" review on food just for the points.

                      I'll be the first to admit however, that when I run out of products I am passionate in writing about to review, I do turn to the grocery list and see what I can write about. Now though, I doubt I'd look anywhere!

                      With these changes in place, different types of Dooyooers will react very differently:

                      1) For those who write reviews in all categories and enjoy review writing, it would be fine, as the incentives are a bonus, and out of all their reviews, their earnings in tier 1-3 will surely balance out.

                      2) For those who do it for the incentive and churn out less than decent reviews, we will see a definite surge in "poor" Tier 1 products that just meet the minimum requirements for the points and be rewarded.

                      3) And for the rest of us, like me, who write fab reviews on products they are passionate about, but when stuck turn to the grocery list and write a decent review... these changes will mean a brain block; selectively choosing which products to review and working out if it is worth it and all that.

                      But let us go back to the whole distribution of the points.

                      A tier 3 review is worth 100 points = 10 member reads
                      A tier 2 review is worth 300 points = 20 member reads
                      A tier 1 review is worth 600 points = 30 member reads

                      Looking at it this way, why should I bother writing reviews at all when discussion topics earn you 10 points per member read. Discussion topics I find the easiest to write, and sometimes also gets the most views... I personally get an average of 30 member reads per review... so each discussion topic I write would probably earn me the same amount as a tier 2 review based on statistics.

                      I find this point distribution mostly disproportional... and think the lowest payout per review should be 300 miles (I think this is a fair amount for all reviews), as having the difference of 500 miles between tier 1 and 3 will no doubt cause this system to be bi-polar and create product category "hot-spots". I think they lower the miles rewarded from 500 to 300 for all reviews and dish out more crowns for those "worthy" reviews instead of rewarding rich people who can afford high end luxury goods often and punishing those whose regular shopping list only consists of tier 2 and 3 goods!

                      With most changes, I think there should be a "probation" or "try-out" period of maybe six months... and after surveying members, evaluate the pro's and cons of the change before finalising it and imposing it... I hope this will be the case with this, but for some reason, I doubt it...

                      Why? The reason for these changes are stated to be "to particularly reward those members who are writing reviews that we know help the most consumers". Isn't that what the CROWN system was designed for? These changes do not reward good reviews; they encourage spam reviews in the "hot spot" categories.

                      An alternate approach would be to reward reviews based on their number of "thanks". This system was introduced to allow non-dooyoo members to thank the review writers. This surely is a good indication of the "usefulness" of a review. Despite some readers not thanking even if it is a good review, the number of views from non-members will also indicate the popularity of a review... There will obviously need to be more detailed experiment with this...

                      Whatever happens, we are currently stuck with this new system that I personally think will not work in the long run. It will also deter members who are specialists in a certain topic who are now made "redundant" with the tier system. I find it more of a "punishment" than a reward, and if you look at the % of reviews written for each of the tiers before such system was introduced, I can gurantee that a higher percentage will be from the Tier 2 and Tier 3 categories.

                      If 10 reviews from tier 3 were written, and 5 from tier one, the current system dishes out 3300 points.

                      In the old system, 15 reviews from any category written will result in 7500 points being dished out.

                      The proportions demonstrated here obviously aren't conclusive or accurate one bit, but what it seems like to me are that they are reducing the payout as they KNOW people buy less high end products, thus overall, less of the tier one reviews will be produced, thus less miles issued. This is called the reverse multiplier effect.

                      If I am to accept these changes as permanent, the least they could do is provide a new feature to outline the reviews we wrote and the amount of points we earned for each of them, so we know how much we are earning for that particular review opposed to meshing all the points balance in a small box in "My accounts" that is less than sufficient.

                      Finally, I just wan't to say that I am generally dissatisfied with these changes, and whilst I shan't be leaving the site, I know I will be more selective in what reviews I do write. Most of what I write are in Tier 3 but it definitely seems worthless to do so and perhaps I shall turn to discussions instead, as they are easiest to write, which will generate NO consumer views and NO incentives for Dooyoo whatsoever. Perhaps these changes will result in even less traffic. Who knows!

                      I hope I have shared my thoughts well enough, and that some of my suggestions make sense and maybe should be considered? What do you think?

                      *UPDATE

                      I'd like to know:
                      a) How often do you buy tier 1 goods?
                      b) The amount of tier 1 product reviews you write compared to tier 3?

                      Lastly (I promise), Dooyoo really should have sent out a survey before making such a drastic change!

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                        It's Changed..... Deal With It!!

                        As you all know by now Dooyoo have changed the way they pay for reviews. It has been 50p for posting any product or service review and then you would get paid 1 1/2p every time someone read it, reviews in the Dooyoo lounge didn't get the 50p posting reward but I think you would get the money for reads still..... not sure about that because I don't write in the Lounge very often!

                        Now though there is a system of levels where if you write in the top level you get 60p for posting and 2p per read, the middle level pays 30p for posting and 1 1/2p per read and the lowest category is just 10p for posting and 1p per read. If you mainly write in the categories that have been put in the lowest level then I bet you're feeling a bit gutted now, I usually write in Food And Drink and that's in the lowest level but that was kind of to be expected but I'm shocked at Movies and Music only being worth 10p!

                        If I stuck with writing about burgers and crisps then I'd have to work toooooo hard to make any decent money on Dooyoo, and yeah I enjoy Dooyoo big time but I am ALWAYS the first to admit I love the cash I can make from it in my spare time. Before Dooyoo I had a couple of blogs and was updating them constant without being paid for it and writing reviews is pretty much the same.... but deffo more rewarding! So I'm going to make the new rewards system work for me, there's no point complaining that I'm not going to get my 50p for writing about a pack of luncheon meat because from where I'm sitting Dooyoo have been bloody generous to me just for my scribblings from that weeks grocery list.

                        People are talking about leaving but I can't see why because if you look in level 1 you're bound to find shedloads of things to write about, obviously you're going to start running out of things but be clever about how you use your suggestions and you can maximise the categories you can write in. When you lose interest in level 1 then look at level 2 and just look at it that you need to write 2 reviews instead of 1 to make your money up.... it's ok me saying that because I've got the time but I know people who have only got time to post 1 review every few days or less are going to suffer from this new system.

                        What I'm trying to say is that I think the new system is going to work well, not just for people like me who churn reviews out but the people who DO only post 1 review a day will benefit in a way because their available categories in level 1 will last a lot longer than mine will with me posting more than 6 reviews most days. I think if anything it will cause me to write more so that I can move into level 2 without it damaging my earnings too much, and everyone is a winner because I think my reviews are usually decent and deffo nothing that would embarrasses Dooyoo if someone found something I'd written on Google. Dooyoo get the traffic and to start with I'll be earning more cash than I would have under the 50p system.I

                        God, this sounds like a madly money grabbing review but I've heard some holier than thou stuff said about people abusing Dooyoo and I hate it because they're a business and I think they reward us fair...... I don't think a business that is successful in more than one country would kill themselves by being TOOOOOOO generous and the people who say that are insulting Dooyoo! lol They're in it for money and so are most of the people who review for the site, if they was honest. I enjoy Dooyoo and you know what, I'd even come here for nothing like I put reviews on Amazon sometimes for nothing. Without the rewards though other things would deffo get in the way of Dooyoo so that I get paid for something I enjoy doing is a proper bonus.

                        The rewards system on Dooyoo is very good also because you can earn as much as you want to, there's no other site like it where they don't cap your earnings. Ciao is probably the same sort of thing but I don't use that site, but any other rewards site will let you earn a set amount each day..... I'm not on about review sites because Dooyoo is the only one I use so it's nice to be able to set myself a goal sometimes on Dooyoo of earning a certain amount in a month and then I'll go and treat myself or my sisters. If I could earn Maximiles like that I'd have that Champneys Tote Gift Set quicker than waiting for mini polls to come my way! lol

                        The people I feel sorry for big time since they changed the rewards are the people who write in Movies and Music because those reviews are sooooooooo hard to write..... I know I'll never bother for 10p because the reviews take too long and are mega stressful to write. Sometimes I'd go mad and squeeze one out for 50p but 10p is mad considering the thought that has to go into an album review.... nah, wouldn't bother even for 50p really! I think those are the people who will eventually leave Dooyoo and that will be a shame because some of the BEST writers on here are the ones who post a film or album review most days, mad to think they've got to post 5 a day to even break even and thats without the cut in the reward for each read. Not good when you can write about a cheap biro in Level 1 and get paid 60p for it!

                        Me talking personal I think the changes will be good for certain people and not for others, for me it'll be good or not make a lot of difference. I was getting bored of writing about pies so am deffo looking forward to finding new categories, I'll probably still write the odd food review but will be exploring the higher earners for now. I don't think you'll ever get a fridge freezer or tv review out of me but I've started looking at the contents of the junk drawer and my sisters toy box a bit more closely over the last couple of days! lol

                        I hope the changes are good for you..... and if they're NOT just make them be good!!!

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                          14.06.2010 13:07
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                          System could still do with some tweaks.

                          So...all change then!

                          I've only been on Dooyoo for a couple of months but I think the new system is a step towards making the system fairer and rewarding those who write reviews that other people actually want to read (and not just other members clicking on to return rates, or encourage a return rate). Dooyoo is a business and needs to run on a serious business model - and paying people for reviews of Heinz baked beans isn't one.

                          I'm sure the site will now be skewed towards the higher earning categories. I'm going to hold my hand up that I was looking round my kitchen over the weekend looking for things to review. I'm only human.

                          But I won't stop reviewing other things that interest me too. The money is secondary.

                          If you see this site as a serious money-maker I think you are mistaken. For the amount of time it takes, we are not earning anything like you would at a 'real' job. For me, the money is nice, and part of why I joined, but it's only a small bonus for me, not serious earnings. You'll earn more doing one shift a week at Asda on minimum wage than you could full-time here.

                          I don't think the new system is perfect, but it's hard to think of a system that would be. My best idea comes last on this list:

                          Other Options

                          1) Paying according to the review's rates - more for a VU and nothing for a SU - would work if it weren't for the dishonesty of a lot of ratings. If we rated honestly, this would be the best sytem, but it's not feasible right now.

                          2) Paying according to the reviewer - each reviewer could be quality rated and paid accordingly, starting at the lowest rate and then moving up as their reviews improve. Likewise, start moving down the payscale if their reviews deteriorate. Nice theory, but would take more staff to rate and monitor than I think dooyoo have!

                          3) Paying according to involvement of the reviewer. How many rated compared to rates received, involvement in discussion lounge etc. Some members seem to like this idea but it still doesn't give a greater reward to those bringing more income to the site.

                          4) Payment according to number of non-member reads. This would seem to be a very fair option to me. Let's face it, most member reads are just return rates/pushing for a return rate. Dooyoo gets its income by people reading reviews and clicking on links to purchase. How many members do that? The real key to how useful a review is in the 'real' world (as opposed to ours trying to earn money through rates) is how many non-members have read it. These are the people with a genuine interest in that product, who are searching around on the web for it, and are most likely to click through to make a purchase, surely. These are the people Dooyoo earns its income from. Our payment for reviews is our reward for contributing to that income. Wouldn't it be fairer to reward those who attract the non-member reads?

                          I also think people should be limited to only 3 reviews a day. I'm sick of churners writing 150 word rubbish.

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                            What I think to the recent changes...

                            As everyone is now no doubt aware dooyoo have restructured their rewards system awarded for submitting reviews to the site and have brought about changes to the mile allocation. Much has been said from members here since the announcement with some reacting badly to the change, for me, most of my reviews are film and DVDs and as such are now in the lowest paying category (tier 3) meaning that I would now only earn 10p for submitting a review and 1p per read rather than the old 50p for submitting and 1.5p per read and by anyone's standard this would have to be considered a significant drop.

                            Dooyoo have announced that they have brought about the changes to reflect which items are the most valuable to the site and are based on what consumers are looking for when searching for information. By writing reviews on items which generate traffic to the site we are all, in our own way, keeping the business going and that is why dooyoo can afford to pay us for writing reviews. Reviewing is a hobby for me and for many others too and I admit that the Amazon vouchers I have earned in my time here has come in very handy enabling me to treat family members to gifts whilst buying the odd item for myself and whilst my initial reaction to the news was that of shock and disappointment I have over the last few days come around to a different way of thinking.

                            In my time on dooyoo I have written over 400 reviews and out of curiosity I conducted a little investigation of my own today as to which of my reviews have had the most 'non member' reads (i.e. someone outside of dooyoo looking for information on a product) and it may interest you to learn that Electrical/Household items and food and drink have generally attracted the most reads, for example:

                            Kellogg's Krave Cereal 63 member reads/ 255 total reads
                            Milticooker pan 52 member reads/ 273 total reads
                            Babyliss I-Trimmer 55 member reads/ 195 total reads
                            Weightwatchers bread 27 member reads/ 129 total reads
                            Millies Cookies 34 member reads/ 220 total reads
                            Vax vacuum cleaner 44 member reads/ 290 total reads

                            In comparison, films (my preferred area) do not generate the same non member views:

                            The Hangover 63/63
                            Blindness 84/84
                            Eden Lake 58/59
                            This is it (Michael Jackson) 63/68

                            Even newly released DVDs don't seem to generate a lot of non member interest with examples such as:

                            The Descent part 2 87/87
                            The Fourth Kind 72/73
                            The Box 90/91
                            Zombieland 100/102

                            Generating very few non member reads. Reluctantly then I have to concede that as far as bringing non member traffic to the site films do not seem to items that people search for information on, so on balance film and DVD's probably do deserve their low ranking. On the other hand, Food and Drink *do* bring non-members to the site looking for information yet this category is also a tier 3 and has been the area of much debate in the past as to its overall worth with some members (and guides) calling for the removal of any incentive being paid in this area.

                            Clearly dooyoo know what they are doing by introducing the tiered approach and by offering more of an incentive to write in the areas that pay more we have seen a deluge of reviews on white goods, perfume and tier 1 items. There have been a number of reviews written in this section over the past few days complaining about the number of 'churned' reviews and the general feel has been that of unhappiness that there are some who are exploiting the increase in rewards for writing sub standard reviews in this area - what I would say about this personally is that just because we are seeing the reviews doesn't mean the members are being paid for them. We know that our miles are pending before they are redeemable and that dooyoo check for quality, we as members also play our part by rating the reviews and clearly this has always been a contentious area with some members rating everything they read as VU for fear of being revenge rated. It alright complaining about rubbish reviews appearing all over the site for us then to be rating the same reviews as VU, how we rate as individuals has never been more important I think now and personally I have become a lot more ruthless with my ratings since the structure change.

                            Overall then I understand why dooyoo had to change, yes I'm gutted that films have been downgraded to tier 3 but this has encouraged me to write in other areas and as I don't review exclusively for dooyoo I know that there are other places where I can get more rewards for my film reviews. Change isn't always a bad thing, we are now getting more miles for writing in the areas dooyoo want us to and though we may only have a few electrical items that fall into the category 1 tier there are plenty of other things to review there and also in tier 2 where the mile loss isn't that significant.

                            Food and Drink reviews are a different debate which I don't want to get into here as it is a controversial area anyway, except to say that perhaps they are not as worthless as some may think, the non member reads certainly support that theory - why they are level 3 only dooyoo knows perhaps the category was written *too* much in?...

                            Dooyoo is still a fun site to be on, you are still getting paid to write about items and in some cases are earning more than ever before. Use your own rates with consideration and ride out the initial furry of sub standard tier 1 reviews that are appearing at the moment, the guides and dooyoo staff will be looking at the validity and usefulness of these reviews but we can help by rating the reviews appropriately.

                            I will now come down off my soap box. Thanks for reading, any comments welcomed...

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                              12.06.2010 18:32
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                              We'll see...

                              The new Dooyoo system has been in place for a matter of days and already I've seen an affect on the site - there are less film reviews, more reviews on white goods and the Dooyoo community seem to suddenly have invested in a wide fragrance collection!

                              I have been on Dooyoo for eight months now and throughout my time here quickly turned from a money making exercise into a hobby when I discovered a community that I enjoy being a part of. However I'm not going to pretend that the money is now insignificant, if it wasn't for the income I've made from Dooyoo, Ciao and survey sites, then inevitably I would have had to take a second job. Coincidently, the last time I was forced to take on secondary worked I ended up in a chipy and I met my other half :o) so good things can come out of being skint! Anyway, I am digressing... over recent months Dooyoo has helped me to survive, I know the company isn't a charity, I know they own me nothing, but I feel as if I have contributed considerably to the site and that these mileage changes could have been thought through so much better.


                              ***** What could they have done differently? ******

                              Now I'm no entrepreneur, but I know that 150 words of drivel on a fridge will not increase revenue for Dooyoo and it's so easy to churn out sh*ite about a product your gran has in her kitchen. For example, would this be helpful to the consumer? ...

                              "We bought the fridge freezer from FridgesRUs for £275. It was delivered on time - they said they'd come before noon and they arrived at 11.57. The fridge freezer was bulky and difficult to get into the flat but the men that delivered it helped us get it up the stairs and they removed the packaging, that they took that away to be recycled. There is lots of space in the fridge. My nan stocked up on veg and stored it in the plastic compartments at the bottom. There was lots of room for frozen chips too and the fridge freezer only took an hour to get cool. It has four stars on it too, this means that nan's frozen chips can be stored for like three months. She likes the fridge freezer a lot and the men that brought it were nice. I recommend FridgesRUs, they are located on the high street opposite Burger Queen."

                              ...No this isn't an example a Dooyoo review, but answer me this... Why should something which is so low in quality be rewarded with 60p plus 2p a read?

                              I think that Dooyoo should have upped the word limit in all tiers, because although 150 of crud is easy to spout out, 300 /500 words wouldn't be so easy to churn. Also, in order to stop the rubbish on the site, Dooyoo should have appealed to the members to flag up rubbish... they should have agreed to lock / review anything that received a certain number of SU and NU ratings. Maybe this wouldn't have been practical, but surely upping the standards would have weeded out some of the sh*te?


                              ********** Why are you still here? *************

                              Believe it or not I am actually a working journalist... I know you wouldn't believe it by some of my reviews but hey ho, some mad man pays me to write five days a week. However reviewing isn't something I am employed to do and I think it's a very specialised genre (one that I'm only just getting to grips with), so being a part of this community has helped me to grow and develop... ace! For that reason I am going to concentrate on write for Ciao and paste my work over here, who cares if I only earn 10p for the review, it's better than nothing and as long as my writing continues to develop and I can continue to communicate with members then my purpose will be fulfilled!

                              I am worried about the quality of writing that will now, inevitably swamp Dooyoo and I can't see me reading thirty reviews on fridge freezers each day, so it seems that inevitable that my contribution on the site will dwindle.

                              The next few months will be interesting for Dooyoo and I hope I'm here to see what the future brings... time certainly will tell...

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                                12.06.2010 14:53
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                                Come on dooyoo lets be fair

                                I think any sane person knows what has happened on this site and that is a considerable number of members have taken gross advantage of dooyoo and cost them an enormous amount of money, yes the churners I am talking about. It is obvious that dooyoo could not carry on paying enormous amounts of money for useless rubbish that is of no use to anyone, but I think they could have come up with a better way to do this, as we now have the churners churning out rubbish reviews in Category 1 and guess what now they have had an increase, instead of getting 50p per churn they now get 60p!!!!

                                I am not talking about people who write a lot of good reviews and participate in the site, I am talking about the hardcore churners, who are here for no other reason than to churn out review after review with the bare minimum of words required padded out with a copy/past list of ingredients.

                                The key here would have been to get the churners off this site by making some new rules instead of making a tier system. The following ideas would have stopped the churners in their tracks;

                                Site participation

                                Some people have fulltime jobs and family, but they still have time to participate in this site, most churners however do not participate and if you look at how many review's they have actually read it will be 0 or very low. A system could have been implemented that to get paid anything on your review you need to read a certain number of reviews per week.

                                There could be a limit on how many reviews you are allowed to write in a day, say 5 not many people can manage to write 5 reviews in a day, I know I can't, I have rated on average 90 reviews per day (7) days per week since start, which takes up some considerable time, I am here at least 5 hours per day and only managed to write 2 reviews per day at most occasionally I managed to do 3 and all my reviews have been a minimum of at least 300 words and some considerably more .


                                I am not saying you should be made to read 80 reviews per day but say 100 per week and if you don't then the reviews you wrote for that week you don't get paid on.


                                If they increasedthe number of words say 300 needed to be written, made people actually participate on the site it would give the churners less time to churn out rubbish without having to punish the rest of us.

                                The tier system could still be in place but at the old rate 50p per review and 1.5p per read, but out of the 5 reviews you can write each day, they could say only 1 out of level 3, 2 out of level 2 and 2 from level 3.

                                This would be fairer than punishing us all. What about the people who don't have any kids, or they are grown up and gone, well that section for L1 is out, or have had their home set up for a while, well that section is out as well, many of the electrical items that are over a year old are not in the catalogue, and yes I know you can request them, but with technology moving so fast these days many items over a couple of years old are no longer sold.

                                I know one lady on here I have never spoken to her, but I read all her reviews, she writes 1 good quality review on children's books every couple of days, (I have bought 3 recommended by her for my god children and family members). She has participated in this site every day reading and commenting on other peoples review's , I see that she has actually rated over 50,000 more people than have rated her, now that is dedication, now she will have to take a drop of 20p per review. Is this fair? I don't think so.

                                The churners will always win, and make the most money until dooyoo put a stop to it by not rewarding them with an extra 10p to churn out 6 bottles of perfume one after the other and 8 TV's. They must be stopped or banned from the site.

                                For my 30+ hours I have been putting in here I have made on average £15.00 per week, but now two of the category's that I write in have been cut, one of them so it is just not worth writing about at all, I will make even less.

                                Whereas I don't expect to make a fortune here I do need to cover the electricity etc that it costs to sit on the pc most of the day reading/rating and writing. Dooyoo is not a charity but neither am I.


                                Where I understand they had to make cuts I am disappointed with the way they have done it, and not considered the genuine dooyooers who will not be able to write about most of the stuff in Level 1

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                                  10.06.2010 16:11
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                                  A great company and community!!

                                  I am the first person who has written a review on Dooyoo Rewards System since the change in miles came in effect yesterday. Hopefully you will read the article and give your views.

                                  Firstly I think it is important to say, that I write on a number of sites, including many blogs/forums I own. I actually use the money from my other blogs etc as an income. I am a web designer and publisher and that is were my money comes from. This site provides a bit of extra cash to support my hobby of collecting coins.

                                  So after saying all that, I think I have a little bit of an idea in how sites are moneterised. Some adverts on my sites create good money, others don't - and I target the articles and products that make money. That is how I make a living.

                                  That is why I have a certain amount of sympathy for Dooyoo. Over the last few months I have seen some excellent reviews and some extremely poor reviews on here. I have see individuals take the ????? out of Dooyoo's point system, with certain churners writing reviews on hundreds of products, which they have little or no knowledge on. The same members writing about tv programme, after tv programme, draining the dooyoo bank account of their hard earned cash.

                                  Dooyoo are not a charity. They are a company. A very successful company who have a great reputation. I have always found them fair and honourable and feel that they should be treated in that way themselves. If my thinking is correct, Dooyoo have a business model were they hope that if you read a review and like it, you will click on an advert and go and buy the product. I think this falls short when it comes to certain food items etc such as Tesco beans, but up until now they have been prepared to let it go so that the community benefits. Sadly no more!

                                  The new points system makes real sense as part of a business view. Those items that they are likely to benefit more from financially, are being rewarded more than others. A review on a Laptop is more important than one on a chocolate bar. However I still think they have been fair in still rewarding reviews on these other products.

                                  However I can see issues resulting from this change in the miles system. I have already seen members who have said 'Thanks, but not for me anymore'. People as a whole don't like change. I can see a review on some of these lower paid tiers getting shorter. I mean are there really people out there who will write a 900 word review in order to get 100 miles (10p). Maybe. But I certainly couldn't justify giving this time for such a small reward. I think we'll probably see lots more reviews for Tier 1, which is what Dooyoo want. In return I think we'll see lots less, and smaller reviews for Tier 3 reviews. Just my view.

                                  For those who want to moan, try and see it from Dooyoo's view - and if you must complain, look more towards from churners who have written 'worthless' reviews in order for the money. Don't get me wrong not the ones who have written quality reviews and are part of the community - no matter how many you churn out. I mean those who have been writing lots of worthless reviews. Also the kids who have battered the site over the last couple of months, with 150 words on how I apply mascara.

                                  All good things come to an end, but one thing for sure I still think Dooyoo are a good company. I will still hang around. I'll miss some of the really interesting reviews on travel, books, films etc which I guess will become smaller - and less frequent. But I do understand why in these hard times Dooyoo have had to do what they have done!!

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