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      24.05.2011 16:32
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      You win some, you lose some... but it's a good site overall

      The category name says "other opinion websites", but I think we all know that there are really only two that matter in this country: Dooyoo and Ciao. (I know, technically they're "dooyoo" and "Ciao!", but both those names look a bit silly, so I'm going to stick to writing them sensibly. This isn't a paying category, so I don't see why I shouldn't follow my conscience just for once. Er, ignore that last bit, will you?) Having been on both sites for around a decade now - good grief - I've more or less made my peace with the fact that both of them can be annoying, but in different ways...

      == Organisation ==

      There's no doubt in my mind that, despite not being perfect, Dooyoo wins in this area. Ciao seems to adopt a "throw in everything we can possibly think of" approach, which in the more extreme cases leads to some truly ridiculous situations: not so very long ago I found that a particular camera memory card had *eleven* categories! This sort of duplication doesn't generally happen on Dooyoo. It's also much easier to navigate the Help pages on Dooyoo than on Ciao, where some of them seem to be leftovers from several years ago.

      Neither site has a very good search function. I'd be delighted to see a Google-like search capability, but both Dooyoo and Ciao are a long way short. On Dooyoo, for example, if you search for "Canon camera" you get a huge results list, but only by clicking the "Only products in the Dooyoo catalogue" button can you narrow it down to categories that actually exist here. If your product has a name that isn't all that distinctive (eg a hypothetical perfume called "It is") then you're really in trouble, and may have to do a great deal of messing around actually to find the blasted thing.

      Dooyoo also wins in terms of finding recent reviews. Although you can do this on Ciao as well, over there there's a fair bit of clunkiness in the system, and coming back to Dooyoo I tend to feel relieved to find the "New reviews" and "New members" buttons on the Site map. On which score, the clear indication of which categories attract what remuneration is also a Dooyoo plus. To be frank, a site of Ciao's size, and especially now it has big-money backing with its Microsoft ownership, should be doing a lot better in terms of site navigation.

      == Writing, reading, rating ==

      Dooyoo is very much about the *writing*. You can only submit reviews in plain text, and there's no facility to add images. Until fairly recently it also had a very narrow text column, which meant that even moderately long reviews tended to look interminable. Ciao goes in the other direction: its wide text field tends to encourage much longer reviews - to my mind, very often *too* long. I certainly see a lot of reviews on Ciao which would be much better pieces were they cut in half: 4,000 words is too long for screen reading in 99.9% of cases. At least. As with all writing, rules are there for breaking, but if you're going to make me sit and read one review for 25 minutes, you'd better have a *really* good reason!

      Ciao's reviews *can* be easier to read than Dooyoo's because of the ability to add bold, italic, bulleting and so on, as well as the facility to include photos. What does bother me slightly sometimes is that some reviews are clearly being rated higher *because* they have this "twiddly formatting", even though the actual writing is only adequate. It doesn't help either that the submission box on Ciao is so badly designed, frequently interrupting you for an auto-save right in the middle of your typing! In the case of both sites, it's strongly recommended to write your review in a text editor or word processor first, though turning almost all Auto-Correct *off* is a good idea, especially with Dooyoo.

      Dooyoo has four rating buttons; Ciao has six. I think both sites are right to have an even number, so as to stop people who haven't actually read the pieces just clicking the middle one all the time! Ciao's "exceptional" rating provides something which doesn't exist on Dooyoo: a rating you can only give a limited number of times per day (more established and active members get more Es) and which you - in theory - have to explain. Unfortunately, just writing "Great review!" is accepted by the site as an explanation; maybe there should be a 10-word minimum. (Of course, some people would then just write the *same* 10-word comment on *every single review*...)

      == Abuse and its handling ==

      It's hardly surprising that both Dooyoo and Ciao have their problems with cheats and chancers. My position as a guide on Dooyoo probably means I notice it more there than I do on Ciao, but even so I get the impression that there are more cheaters there. (This may be partly because Ciao is harder to navigate!) The site requires that all opinions include at least 150 words of genuine opinion, but since the word counter in the submission box cannot analyse the text too, it's common to see pieces that contain about four words of opinion, the rest being a (usually copied and pasted) list of specifications or the like.

      Plagiarism is a big problem, and unfortunately dealing with it is what takes up most of my guiding time, despite being the least enjoyable part of the job. Dooyoo's abuse-reporting system is pretty efficient (even without the few extra bits and bobs we guides get) and though not always the fastest it does seem to get handled properly in the vast majority of cases. It should maybe be said more often that nobody gets paid until their reviews have been passed by the admins as of acceptable quality, so the cheats *don't* prosper! It's much more of a pain to report abuse on Ciao, thanks to their lack of a proper on-site abuse notification form. Sometimes, to be honest, I get the feeling that Ciao is still rather a thrown-together place.

      == Clarity and communication with admins ==

      This one is an easy win for Dooyoo. Although both sites have their origins in continental Europe, Dooyoo has been more successfully localised. The standard of English even in official announcements from Ciao is still sometimes startlingly poor for such a large and well-established site. If you have need to contact the admins, those at Dooyoo seem friendlier and (usually) quicker to respond; it helps having an on-site contact form rather than Ciao's basic email address. Dooyoo also allows you to have a review moved if you've accidentally posted it in the wrong category: ask for this on Ciao and you'll simply be told (rather brusquely) that it's not possible and all they can do is to delete the review entirely and make you start again.

      When it comes to communication *from* the admins, in terms of site notices, Dooyoo also wins. There are announcements still showing up on Ciao as new which are dated 2007, for goodness' sake! Again, Ciao's less than perfect attention to detail shows up in the sometimes rather poor English of these announcements, while if you're lucky enough to win a prize on Dooyoo (such as being "Celebrated Dooyooer of the week") you get a nice little personal message; when I've had a bonus on Ciao (for example, for a "Short and Good" award) the first I've known about it has been when other people have said well done in my Guestbook!

      == Community spirit ==

      Both sites have their advantages and drawbacks here. I do like Ciao's guestbook system, and the ability to leave messages either publicly or privately can be very useful. On the other hand, the messaging system on Dooyoo is probably better if you just want to make a quick comment, and as a guide I find it extremely handy for answering queries. Neither site has any sort of official forum, which I have mixed feelings about. It would probably encourage more interaction between members, but it might also make it harder for newcomers to feel at home, something I would worry about. I still resist the siren calls of Facebook and Twitter, so can't really comment on that aspect of things!

      Both sites, perhaps inevitably, have their share of spats between members, but they rarely seem to get out of hand. The extra space for profile info on Dooyoo is a nice feature (Ciao's "personal page" tab is generally ignored) but just occasionally it can be misused. An example I've seen a little too much of lately is of people joining Dooyoo simply to put a great long spiel about their business in their profile without making the slightest effort to use the site properly. I consider that abuse. (There is, of course, nothing wrong with linking to your site there, just so long as you're using Dooyoo primarily for its proper purpose!)

      == Earning ==

      You didn't *really* think I'd leave out this, did you? It's all very well being high-minded about these things, but the blunt fact is that if Dooyoo and Ciao stopped their inducement programmes tomorrow, a *lot* of writers - and not just the fly-by-nights - would give up on them. Dooyoo first: I very much like the crown setup, and think it's probably the single most successful feature of either site's reward programme. On the other hand, the basic payments have (overall) reduced substantially in the last year or so, and if (like me!) you review a lot of books, so many subcategories have now fallen to the lowest Level 3 tier (which awards just 10p for posting, and 1p a read thereafter) that income has fallen away a great deal.

      Ciao takes a different approach, with many books remaining in the middle tier. Because of the double income for writing the first review in a category, a bit of maths (I'll spare you the details!) means that if you get, say, 30 rates a time (which isn't too hard) you'll be earning substantially more from Ciao than you would for the same review on Dooyoo. Ciao doesn't have crowns, but it does have the Premium Fund. This is dished out by means of an opaque assessment process, but on the whole if you're getting Exceptional ratings more than once in a blue moon, you'll be in the running. This is awarded in a big chunk once a month - so you can easily make much more in one go from that than you do from all your basic income put together.

      == Cashing out ==

      Ciao has a simple but inflexible system: your money is paid by direct bank transfer into your (UK) bank account. This is probably at least in part down to the site's German origins; bank transfer of this sort has been much more popular there than in the UK for a long time. However, it does mean that you can't get *any* sort of reward if you're not British-based. On Dooyoo you have three choices: charity, Amazon vouchers or cash, with increasing earnings required for each respectively. I prefer this way of doing things, as it gives you a little bit of choice.

      The payment threshold for cash is *much* lower on Ciao - £5 as against £50 on Dooyoo - but both sites do make you wait. On Dooyoo you're paid by cheque (what will happen if/when those are abolished?) but the time for your letter to arrive varies enormously. The Help on the site says you should send a query after 10 working days, but that's often optimistic, and on a couple of occasions it's taken over a month; that's too long. Ciao only processes payments once a month, so the best thing to do is to claim near the end of a month; you'll then be paid in the middle of the next one.

      == Verdict ==

      At a little over 2,000 words, this review is already rather longer than I like my pieces to be, but I haven't covered everything by any means! As a summary, though, I think my ideal site would have the general layout, admin efficiency and crown bonus system of Dooyoo, allied to the greater earnings potential (for me!) and on-site guestbook facility of Ciao, perhaps with the ability to upload photos as well. I'm glad both sites exist, though, as I suspect that without serious competition neither would be as good as it is now.

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        14.01.2011 14:16
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        I like both

        I'm planning to be a bit self indulgent with this review as it is my 1000th! I can't believe that I have been a member of Dooyoo for four and a half years and that I have has so many opinions on so many things! I've also earned a far few dooyoo miles, for which I am very grateful, although it is getting harder and harder to earn those miles.

        I did really want to write a review just about Dooyoo but I have already written about Dooyoo in general, my frustrations with the site and the rewards system. I could always update my reviews, but as there is no way to bring them to the top of my list (unlike on Ciao!) there is little point as no one would read them. That is why I have chosen to write about Dooyoo versus other review sites and as I have been with Ciao! for the same amount of time, I shall mainly be comparing the two! I have dabbled with other review sites such as helium, epinions and also ciao.com for a short while but I've never really got the hang of any of these so I mainly stick to my two favourites.

        Both sites hold a lot of appeal for me, partly because I love writing, but mainly because I am able to make a bit of money. (I am actually doing something today that I rarely do on dooyoo and I am writing in a non paying category but I guess I can sacrifice a few dooyoo miles every 1000 reviews! I'm not sure whether I will get paid for actual rates so I guess that I will soon find out!)

        Over the last four and a half years I have probably been more active on dooyoo and that is probably because to start with it was easier to make money. My 1000 reviews make me about the twentieth highest contributor on dooyoo whereas my 800 reviews on Ciao! make me the seventh most read author (I'm catching Duncan up fast!). I like the fact that I am able to post reviews on both sides as that definitely makes it worth putting the effort into writing them.

        There are some amazing writers who appear on both sites and I am often in awe of how well they write their reviews. I can't mention everyone but Torr, Richada, Bollinger, Arnoldhenryrufus and Koshka are a few that spring to mind. I always find their reviews really entertaining and informative. Newer writers such as Drewster Rooster is someone to look out for too. Those are just a few but there are so many inspiring writers on both sites and I applaud you all. I also must mention KenJohn (aka themadcabbie on ciao!) who is sadly no longer with us but always made me smile with his reviews.

        The good thing about both sites is that there is such variety in the reviews that are posted and you can find out so much about so many things. I have been tempted to buy so many things, and thankfully been guided away from buying others, thanks to what I have read on both sites. I do think that sometimes people are a bit too hasty to post reviews though without having given the products a thorough trial. This is really true in the case of children's toys as I often want to know if they are likely to last and you can't tell when the child has only played with it a couple of times. On both sites you are able to update reviews but it is only on ciao that you can bring that updated review to the top of your list. That makes a lot more point in doing that as on dooyoo, no one will be aware of any changes. Both site's systems for posting a review are pretty straightforward although on ciao! it is sometimes difficult to suggest new products. However, ciao! are much better than dooyoo at responding to proposals. I sometimes have to wait more than a month for dooyoo to process my suggestions which can be a bit frustrating. It often means that I have forgotten what I intended to write and it can also mean that I am writing about Christmas products just in time for Easter!

        I now come to the rewards systems. On both sites it is possible to make a reasonable amount of money but how to do so on dooyoo is much clearer although I do wish that dooyoo would stop changing things. Over four and a half years on dooyoo there have been at least two major changes to the reward system. When I first started you earned nothing for posting a review but you did earn 30 dooyoo miles for every read or rate. A year or so later they changed the system so that 500 miles were given for every posted review but you only earned 15 miles for every read or rate. I hated this at first but I soon realised that more people were attracted to the site so I was getting more reads and rates and ultimately earning more. Up until this point though every review, regardless of category, was valued the same. I think the next change came early in 2010 and what a nasty shock that was for us book, food and DVD lovers. Suddenly our reviews were consigned to the bottom of the heap being awarded only 100 miles and 10 per read/rate. I was so disgusted and I think that was the only point that I actually felt like leaving dooyoo. I only think I didn't because I do enjoy writing on the site and and anyway I was still making a small amount of money! Besides, what would I do with all the time I spent on the site! I think that I am now a bit more selective about my reviews and I do post a bit less. I do tend to still review my books as I've read them anyway but I am more likely to watch a DVD just for pleasure without thinking about what I can write about the plot, atmosphere, etc!

        The ciao reward system has always been a bit more complicated and confusing and rewards attributed different values of payment for no apparent reason that I can see. Where ciao! does better than dooyoo is with how they reward people who write the first review about a product because then they double the payment. That is a real incentive to write first reviews and something that I think dooyoo should take notice of!

        Both sites also have mysterious ways of rewarding the better reviews. On ciao! there is the premium fund that is shared out between the busiest and best writers each month, I cannot fathom how this works at all as I have received anything between £2 and £20 in a month for what seems to me to be similar participation. There are also the coveted diamonds of which only ten are awarded every month. I have only every received one diamond but I was so chuffed that I couldn't stop smiling. On dooyoo there is the crown system and I don't get this either - in fact come to think of it I just don't get crowns - well not any more. I used to get quite a few and I have the grand total of 125 which works out at one in eight reviews. However the majority of those, I received during my first 500 reviews and now I hardly ever get any even though as far as I can tell the quality of my reviews are just the same. I'm not complaining but it does puzzle me slightly!

        One of the frustrating things that I find with both sites is the number of churners that they attract. It pleases me that you can check out writers' stats on both sides, and my policy is to give people a chance but I generally won't read their reviews if they are not noticeably reading and rating reviews. I guess most people get a bit carried away when they first start and think that they are going to make a lot of money but thankfully most of them calm down and understand the reciprocal nature of the site, or otherwise they disappear!

        I really like the community spirit on both sites and I love receiving messages in my guest books. Both sites have circles of trusts and I am very grateful to everyone who includes me in theirs! There are many very nice genuine people and I am glad that I have met you all if only in a cyber sort of way! Marymoose, mumsymary, mummy2harry, azana, zoepage, hishyness, charby, jo1976, juicy lucy, susanlesley, 1st2thebar, jake speed, thebigC and so many more spring to mind. There are too many to mention but I think that all the regulars on both sites are great. We are probably all very different in real life but we all have dooyoo and ciao! In common! There are some wonderful people on ciao! who occasionally arrange meets and these seem fantastic ideas. I have never attended any, partly dues to shyness and/or family commitments but you never know, I may one day, especially as I could be considered an 'old lady' of both sites due to the amount of time I have spent on them!

        Will I write another 1000 reviews on dooyoo? I don't know but I suspect not. Now that my daughters are older they have more demands on my time and I am paying less on childcare. However, I am a public service worker so I suspect that the time will come when I have a bit more time on my hands (hopefully only temporarily!) I think that I am more likely to become the sort of member who will dip in and out (a bit like Richada) and hopefully people will think - 'Oh she's written a review - I must read it!'

        One last thing, I think we ought to start a campaign for a long service review - once you have written 1000 reviews you get a huge dooyoo mile bonus! Now that might just be the incentive to write another 1000! What do you think Dooyoo?

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          I, like many of you, are fly-tipping work on ciao to bump up the earnings for reviews we put a lot of work into on dooyoo. I'm doing ok on the ciao premium fund and my thing recently turned red after being purple and will soon be orange. The last time that happened was when I got it caught in my zipper in Victoria Coach station toilets running for the National Express to Paris! The beautiful Karimkha has been my guide on ciao and our brave little Spanish girl has just returned from Haiti doing charity work. At 24-years young that took some bottle.

          This is how I see dooyoo comparing to ciao. I won't be mentioning my experiences on any other opinion sites because big rag went bust, e-opinions pay zilch and those other American tight asses Helium stiffed me for $313 dollars!

          -Rewards-

          Dooyooo 4/5
          Ciao 3/5

          On ciao there are clear lines drawn on who is writing for diamonds and pearls (our crowns) and who isn't. I'm not chasing diamonds (£15) and pearls ( £8) there as the requirement to get one is to be squeaky clean with your opinion but also accrue as many rates as possible for the review to get your Very Useful and all-important 'Exceptional' ratings up. My exceptional percentage ratings are up there with the best of them but not in the critical volume you need and it just doesn't make financial sense to keep trying to beg and earn rates for just one review until you get near diamond numbers. You're lucky to get fifteen rates a review if you post one a day, and unless you score in the premium fund then it's a complete waste of time if you fail to get the diamond you targeted. The same people get the diamonds using that tactic and so fair play to them. It's clear and fair on ciao in its own way and you know the score to get diamonds. Interestingly, dooyoo crowners who cross-post don't diamond or pearl so much on ciao. The Premium Fund is a pool of two grand a month shared between the members who have made an effort, the more Very Useful and Exceptional rates and reviews the more money you get.

          The fabled Ciao Premium Fund is a good system as it rewards good work rather than rated churn. Obviously dooyoos rewards are far better for churners and so we murder ciao for rewarding dross. There's absolutely no way churners can earn money on ciao as far as I'm aware (even though most of India and the Philippines seem to think they can) as you don't get 50p for posting a review and so that's exactly why we get all the churners here. I much prefer my 50p per review and the 30 plus rates to get my perfunctory quid, and that can be really lucrative, which it isn't on ciao if those same reviews don't get as many rates. Ciao is only about rewarding good writers, and with no guides to hoover up those rewards it feels more democratic if you go for diamonds. Good writers have to get the balance right on ciao of how many reviews they post up and how much effort they want to put in to get the all important rate backs or the wont make much money. In fact you get told off if you don't rate back there, but to me that always a rule break as its effectively cartel behaviour.


          -Censorship-

          Dooyoo 2/5
          Ciao 4/5

          Although dooyoo is an opinion sites its best not to have an actual opinion, the greatest and most irritating irony here. I made a comment on my ciao profile page about those same annoying South East Asian members who have very little English skills that write those 30 word scrawls in the wrong place and was put in my place, even though it was whimsical comment. I said that they are even more annoying than call-centre workers from the same part of the world (the joke) when I'm trying to eat my dinner. I was rightfully told off by the members and took the comment down. But the point is I didn't lose premium fund money for that harmless quip and at no time did a guide or ciao penalize me for it. The members decided as a collective and it was sorted out quickly. I really like that about ciao. But it's not the same on dooyoo and when you write strongly and honestly and say what you want to say suddenly your crowns evaporate. I feel I get more nominations for reviews that actually have an opinion on dooyoo but it's not what dooyoo want to hear so creating that nomination paradox.....the more noms I get the less crowns! Its either that or I have an incredibly high opinion of myself and dooyoo only give me crowns to shut me up. It's probably a mix of the two hence this review.lol.

          After a damaging three months without crowns for some silly comment or other that tenuously offended someone that got me a two week ban in the summer I bagged 14 crowns in the first two months of Autumn, and what I would say is about fair. If I bang out 6 or 7 good reviews a week I'm happy with just one weekly crown. You know your effort is noted and you keep your place in the all-important crown chart that reflects your abilities. But over Christmas, boosted by the confidence of the return of my crown privilege, I slipped out my dooyoo lounge reviews on immigration and racism (very mild for me in the hope of keeping the crown status) and now just one crown in six weeks. If you read those reviews on immigration and racism they are well sourced and articulate and not blocked and certainly not offensive. I had scored 10 film crowns from 25 films reviews in that same period and now its just one from the 18 film reviews since. I was actually top of the crown pile for the whole site in early December! Like I say it pays NOT to have an honest opinion on dooyoo, the corporate mentality getting stronger and stronger here. You're not so much crowned for your thoughts but your ability to play ball, as with most things in life. It just feels like the best reviews for dooyoo are not the best reviews 'on' dooyoo. I fully appreciate they want to crown reviews on the products people come here to read about but when a favoured member writes twice a month, on whatever it may be, and rarely rates and then crowns it seems a little bias. Surely you have to contribute big on the site to maintain you crown privilege? I feel I do that. If dooyoo don't want us to have a negative opinion on immigration and the like because it muddies their corporate image then why put the bloody thing up in the first place! How do we know they are only crowing reviews that are 'positive' about favoured products? And on the subject of dooyoo lounge reviews why so few crowns there? We have seen a pathetic 18 in the last 3 months. I earned 40 dooyoo lounge crowns in my first two years here but then just a measly three in my third year? They don't cost dooyoo money and I don't think it will encourage writers away from other critical sections if they do crown more there. I think it will just mean more quality reviews on site, the point after all, and less people like me moaning about crowns. I think I speak for most on this issue of dooyoo lounge crowns. These are often the reviews spend the most time on by quite a way.

          -Payment Speed-

          Dooyoo 3/5
          Ciao 2/5

          As I am aware of the extraordinary amount of internet fraud that goes on out there I'm not that cool with being paid into my bank account on ciao. I currently can't log into ciao on a normal browser because it's detecting a malware problem and blocking me so I have to use the In Privacy thing on Explorer 8 to log on. It's scary to think your bank details are that exposed. But it's the only option they have so again dooyoo cheques and Amazon vouchers are far better for me. The ciao 'automated' payment does take about three weeks to go through though, which if you consider you get a £12 penalty if your one second late paying your monthly credit card bill online is all rather slow and odd.

          -Favouritism-

          Dooyoo 2/5
          Ciao 3/5

          You don't have to be a brain surgeon to realise dooyoo and ciao have their favourite members. Dooyoo recently exposed most of theirs with their Dooyoo Gurus feature on the community page, bizarrely not featuring Ken John and Mauri, among others.

          Dooyoo, of course, are under-staffed and busy people at the coal face and, I presume, don't have time to read all nominated reviews. If you are a guide or favourite it's also fair to say you are going to crown ahead of equally if not better work in my opinion. It makes sense to the dooyoo command centre to do that as it all comes down to trust. If they know your not a lose cannon and your work is consistently good but not remotely edgy then the stamp crown goes 'thud' and job done! No time needed to even read the review. Once you're in that group you will get a crown for writing your own name. I have been in that group and got a crown for writing my own name, crowning ahead of better reviews which I had nominated. Sadly, Dooyoo maybe consistent with guides when it comes to crowns but are equally inconsistency when it comes to non guides with crowns. The reason I would want to be a guide is I would honestly think that the green band is a reassurance to me that I would crown at least once from my six or seven weekly reviews I had put a lot of work into. That does seem to be the case with the guides that put in the work. I would also know I will at least be considered for good work, knowing someone is actually taking note of the nominations. What's the point of me or you nominating anymore if the system doesn't work? Its time for nominations to be listed under reviews!!!!!! I would really shut up about crowns it if that was introduced. Ok, maybe I wouldn't.

          When you're a non guide and you have put a couple of hours (and a few re-writes!) into your work it can get deflating to know your being blanked for *other* reasons. I have asked to be the film or sports guide to boost my crown chances (which would even make me behave more!) but you could hear the dooyoo laughter of derision in Nepal at the request.lol. Even the Sherpas were chuckling between cigarettes. My 'Thud' would be a right-hook mate! Let's face it though, if they refuse to use Paul Hanton as a guide then what exactly is dooyoo requirement to be a guide? I can hear Paul right now playing the sax like Lisa Simpson in requiem.lol. In fact I think he writes far less because he was knocked back. The boy knows his music and should be co-music guide.

          -Presentation-

          Dooyoo 3/5
          Ciao 4/5

          As far as writing and constructing reviews go Ciao wins hands down, their far superior text editor allowing you to write bold type and apply other little quirks to express your work more. Being able to post up pictures with your review is a real plus and boy you can have some fun with that! It even drops the photo in the middle of reviews when it detects a 'hot word' relating to it. Ciao also gives you the ability to change your review to pop it back at the top of your review list or keep it where it is. That used to happen on dooyoo and is really missed here. Ciaos member page is also more sophisticated and you can tweak, change and check all manner of statistics and functions there. Their member pictures are bigger too and you can finally see just how gorgeous those girls on dooyoo are who cross post.

          -Access-

          Ciao 4/5
          Dooyoo 3/5

          Ciao's tie in with Bing is very cognitive thinking and you get big external reads from it. One day I looked at the MSN Bing homepage and there was my review from ciao. On ciao you are getting read by far more non members and so your work is in the market place more. Your writing career can begin if you are noticed on the search engines. I think Ciao are up to something though because all this week I have found it hard to log in to ciao from their rival Yahoo and Google search pages, frequently timed out or dumped back into yahoo search with the yahoo homepage reappearing. It may be a virus aware of my bank account digits and clawing at my password though.

          -Improvements-

          Ciao 3/5
          Dooyoo 3/5

          Like I say its time for nominations to be listed under reviews on dooyoo. Dooyoo has shown they have the means to do that this January by the new listing of our ratings of the product in our account list and so if they have the server capacity for that then it must happen. We need to know who are the guides and members that have the most influence on site by dominating the nominations that make crowns and how many 'noms' we need to crown. If I needed five to be considered I would wait until I had five before writing my next review. I have seen some right dross crown of late and there is room for improvement there on transparency. Ciao list who has nominated through the 'Excellent' rating and so extremely transparent. Friendships on dooyoo can be built and sometimes reciprocal crown clusters for crowned members expose that. But as dooyoo have final say on crowns we need to know THEIR criteria to crown so we can improve more.

          -Guides-

          Ciao 4/5
          Dooyoo 3/5

          As I said before I'm not sure if they have guides on ciao and to me it seems it's left to the members to run the site. You have far fewer rows and bullying there because there's no visible hierarchy and so no visible favouritism towards guides when it comes to rewards or taking sides in bullying that you can identify. It just seems more laidback. Dooyoo guides have some clout here and some do use it to bully members. I have seen it and experienced it, as have you guys. Sometimes its subtle and sometimes its not. The more abrupt some favoured people are here the more they seem to get away with things that they know won't be punished and so encouraged to do it again. Of the current batch of guides I only have issues with two or three and I'm pretty sure they are the ones you have issues with too. I will say no more. I am disappointed that so few guides read my work though. I read and rate guides and members I cant bare and I'm big enough to do that because they have put the effort into their work. I don't make it personal here. My online persona is not me. People need to detach themselves from their online persona and not be so sensitive. The thing that gets me the most here is where the same old members or guides that complain about comments written by other people on other reviews that are not offensive between those two parties, often an in-joke or part of a longer running debate there, and you got dooyoo on your back. Ciao has that maturity to let that be. Libel wise I did wonder about when you change your dooyoo review here to remove iffy comments if it changes on Google, or is the original review always out there? Anyone know the answer?

          -Suggestions & Search-

          Dooyoo 3/5
          Ciao 3/5

          I have asked for five movies to go up and the all went up really quick here. I asked for some on ciao and about the same. Ciao do seem to have a bigger database in sections like film and music but a much weaker ciao café (dooyoo lounge) bit. Both sites have new streamlined methods to post up suggestions, the delete suggestion option with dooyoo very sensible, if only dooyoo search engine would find it in the first place so we didn't have to suggest it!

          -Surveys-

          I know ciao surveys are more external now and your money doesn't go onto your account but it for suffering the tedium of filling those in you should get that money on your account. It would be fun to see if dooyoo could try something with surveys so then the one survey site we do could be in-house. I must admit I gave up on them years ago because I would just tick anything to get them done.

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          Well, another dooyoo whinge and back to the film reviews...

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            14.01.2010 19:59

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            great site!

            I love dooyoo, for me it is by far the best way to earn money online and the best opinion website on the internet. I love dooyoo for many reasons here is why:

            Firstly, i originally joined dooyoo because it had the best earning potentional. 50p is way more than what other opinion websites on the internet pay. Infact most other opinion websites like shared reviews and epinions only pay you every time someone rates you review and does not offer any upfront payment.

            Secondly, dooyoo has the best community and the admin staff are uch more helpful compare to other websites. I love it how dooyoo members message you with tips and advice and they leave very helpful comments. It is great. Also whenever you try and contact admin staff they always reply really quickly, while on other website they can take weeks to reply.

            Overall i think dooyoo is great. It is defiantly the best opinion website on the internet. It is the easiest to use has great earning potential is fun and is extremely addictive.

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            Dooyoo is by far the best site of its kind.

            *Updated on 9/1/09*

            I joined Dooyoo about 2 weeks ago and truth be told, I had more monetary intentions than anything else. Deep down to some degree I'm sure its true to everyone but I've been humbled here and hit with a reality check.

            Here on Dooyoo, you get real, fair results for your efforts. Elsewhere it seems like a race to pick up anything in your line of visions and review it just to get paid pathetic amounts or trying to compete to see who can do the most reviews or to win some popularity contest.

            There appears to be unwritten rules here - an honorable code of conduct which long term members exhibit and newer members quickly pick up on. You're not getting away with coming in and throwing down a ton of reviews and begging for people to vote you up. People here do not appear to harbor selfish motives. Here you need to earn positive feedback. You NEED to read reviews, comment, and vote.

            You won't get away with just posting some vague quick review that meets the text limit. People here are genuinely interested in your writing and are very critical - letting you know if you need to clarify things or elaborate further. One thing I noticed in my writing is that I often times don't address certain points fully and here I'm really learning to spot these things better to improve my writing.

            Based on my personal observations it seems like people in the UK certainly do expect much higher standards that what here in the US is considered satisfactory. People here seem much more approachable and knowledgeable as well.

            This has proven to be a reliable site and I really do intend to remain active here and will always use it to research things I intend to purchase in the future because I've been looking for a place with unbiased and thorough reviews from real everyday people.

            So, thanks Dooyoo community! I'll work much harder to pull my weight around here.


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            Dooyoo seems like a much more serious review site than the others I've used. You keep much more in-depth and candid reviews. I've noticed on the other sites I use there seems to be a lot of people who just figure they need to hit the minimum time or text limit and just stop.

            Here on Dooyoo, people seem much more mature. The site is well organized and easy to navigate through. When I had joined ExpoTV and SharedReviews, it took me a while to figure things out and explore the site. Here on Dooyoo I find things are easily accessible and very well organized.

            People seem much more enthusiastic about reading reviews here as opposed to elsewhere where it just seems like they're voting to boost their own scores or try to win contests. Having such a quick period of time to redeem Dooyoo miles is also incredible. Since I'm from the US, I'm here strictly to earn the Amazon vouchers but from those I know, like the person who invited me to Doo yoo from another review site, payment is always immediate with no problems.

            The others sites I'm in like ExpoTV seem to just keep lowering their rewards and also taking longer to deliver them as well. You get a pretty good amount of money in return for your efforts here on Dooyoo. Seems like the only place that doesn't penalize most of us for not being professional writers. Elsewhere it seems like you work for pennies whereas here you can earn a substantial amount that can really go into purchasing something you can enjoy.

            I've made some great friends here and this site is more interactive. People don't seem like zombies just marching around, there seems to be a genuine interest in products and people's reviews. This site is the best in its category in my opinion.

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              Doyoo is the best site i have found for making your opinions and reviews heard

              Ok here we goo... First off all i would like to say this is the best opinion and review site i have found so far and its got to be the best on the net atm,I must admit I ave used others,There are many sites i have checked out for opinions and the one i used not alot but a bit was ciao.

              Since i found this site i have never gone back to using ciao that is for many reasons, one of them was it was very hard to use and to get your views across,another was half the people on there didnt even look at your reviews or even botherd commenting this is where doyoo is so much better

              So this means with dooyoo that i have found that it is much easier to use and people are great on here so many people have things to say about your reviews and they are always nice reviews,People like me are new members and that is quite a hard task as people will not know who you are or how good you are at reviews.Since joining here i have had almost 80 people look my reviews and rate them,this is massive step for me and it makes me feal proud and that something i wrote about products people are actually taken there time and effort to read them its great

              Since i joined here which was last week or so i have found so much information from people that is really being a help to, I even had a PM from some guy saying your reviews are great but trying doing them of a day to make them be seen more and i thought this was really good tip. Another thing on this site if there is a review that is bad or not very good people will not put a bad comment they will just saying this has been copied or this review will be removed and thats what i like to see we dont wont people just copying and pasting there reviews but on the other hand we dont wont people on here reacting to it and posting bad things

              The other great thing on doyoo is the way they reward you,Its so much more of a help when you get 5000 miles you can donate this to charity a 25,000 you get things from amazon and 50,000 you will receive 50 pound in cash,Many other opinion sites do not even give rewards and this is why this site is the best for that it rewards people for doing what they have spent time and effort doing

              I would make the site a number one choice for anyone looking to write reviews

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                dooyoo wins my vote

                I must admit I can only comment on dooyoo and ciao web-site they are the only two I used.

                I have recently stopped using ciao due to how difficult it was to use, you never seemed to benifit from it and people would also make stupid comments on what you wrote. You are writing your opinion not what the manufacturer would want you to know to buy it. Some things just arnt as good for some people.

                however with dooyoo i have found that it is much easier to use and people are genuily interested in the reviews that are written they are easy to find and mostly a pleasure to read.

                I have found so much information from people that is really being a help and it is so fast to find. The search engine to find the products that I like to comment on finds what I am looking for very quickly. The added bonus is that I can also shop at the same time by browsing on amazon.

                I have found peoples comments really helpful on alternatives to buy and what has worked out best for them. It is like being part of a family, and you have the oportunity to earn in the process of being helpful. It isnt fast great ammounts of money but it does make your opinion valued. Ciao you dont get a very good pay back and it is way too hard to understand, and to find the thing that you would like to comment on can take a while it is not that easy to find.

                I would vote dooyoo any day.

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                  I enjoyed writing for them

                  Before I wrote on dooyoo I used to write on a site called helphound.com. This site is still running but now offers only amazon vouchers to the best reviews of the day. Have a look at the site as theres so many good reviews of resturants, days out, and places to go.

                  Dooyoo:

                  1) Upfront payment?

                  You have to write the reviews, it takes about 3 days for the points from these reviews to get processed, then you can claim your money.

                  2) Pay per member read?

                  Yes you get 1.5p for each reading by a member.

                  3) Does the basic payment depend on the quality of the review?

                  No you can get paid by every single read.

                  4) Is there any financial recognition for quality reviews?

                  If you get nominated you can sometimes win crowns that are worth £1.50. There are also competitions every months for certain categories. Check the community section regularly.

                  5) Any other site-related earning opportunities?

                  You can make suggestions to dooyoo for new products, they each earn 1p if accepted, then you earn the normal 50p per review for writing about it.

                  6) Is there a way for the writers to benefit from the non-member reads?

                  Not unless they then join dooyoo and rate again!

                  7) How extended is the earning potential?

                  You can get paid for reviews 6months old that are getting member reads.

                  8) Can you re-post the reviews elsewhere?

                  Yes but say that it is so you dont get done for copying.

                  9) Do you need to participate in the community in order to earn?

                  No you can do what you want. I find that if you dont you get sort of shunned and long standing members dont read your reviews.

                  10) Is there a way to obtain feedback on your writing?

                  People can leave comments or send you private messages.

                  11) Are your earnings per text likely to go down if you post many times?

                  If you 'churn' which is writing loads of reviews and not reading any then no one will read yours, so youl earn less.

                  12) What is the payment threshold and payment options?

                  £50 for a cheque, or £20 worth of amazon vouchers.

                  13) Is it easy to add new products?

                  Yes very easy, but takes so long so dont expect it to be quickly added to the system.

                  14) How wide is the variety of categories?

                  There are so many things to write about, from music, to fridge freezers. I own so many products that are on here, and those that arent I have added.

                  15) Is the payment system transparent and predictable?

                  Well its simple which I like, and it works. I have always been paid.


                  HelpHound:

                  1) Upfront payment?

                  You dont get paid unless you are review of the day, then you receive a £10 amazon voucher.

                  2) Pay per member read?

                  No you get nothing for people reading it.

                  3) Does the basic payment depend on the quality of the review?

                  It used to. I used to get £1 per place review which were over 200 words, and 56p per normal review, and £1 for first reviews when I first started on the site.

                  4) Is there any financial recognition for quality reviews?

                  Yes if you are review of the day you get £10 amazon voucher.

                  5) Any other site-related earning opportunities?

                  I became a higher up member for writing loads of good reviews, and therefore could write about specific categories that I researched from the internet. This was to build up the database.

                  6) Is there a way for the writers to benefit from the non-member reads?

                  No, although there used to be a referral scheme. Not sure if its still running.

                  7) How extended is the earning potential?

                  If you write good reviews every day you could win £10 vouchers every day!

                  8) Can you re-post the reviews elsewhere?

                  They dont really like it.

                  9) Do you need to participate in the community in order to earn?

                  No not at all.

                  10) Is there a way to obtain feedback on your writing?

                  Again people can leave comments or send you a private message.

                  11) Are your earnings per text likely to go down if you post many times?

                  No you can write as much as you want.

                  12) What is the payment threshold and payment options?

                  £10 amazon voucher for reviews of the day.

                  13) Is it easy to add new products?

                  Yes you can add them yourself if you have all the details, like address and contact details.

                  14) How wide is the variety of categories?

                  Its more a place, things to do, and companies sort of reviewing site. There arent really products.

                  15) Is the payment system transparent and predictable?

                  yes, but it used to be really great, that site supported me through 2 years of university. The staff were really friendly, the reviews were good quality and I enjoyed writing for them.

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                    comparative analysis of finacial incentives at dooyo, ciao and helium

                    I started my adventure with on-line writing back in 2004 on Ciao. Dooyoo came a bit later, and in 2008, tempted by financial rewards of a mega-rewardathon, I joined Helium. I also regularly review for the BookBag and occasionally post some articles on Associated Content and an odd review on Amazon. I have started writing for suite101 this year, but it's early days yet to form a considered opinion. I dabbled with Trivago and there are probably numerous other sites I tried - or never got round to using.

                    This review will concentrate on three of the public writing/opinionating sites I use most: dooyoo, Ciao and Helium; and specifically on the financial potential of the sites, with a little bit about community and control writers have over their reviews.

                    All information is correct as of the date of this review (May 2009), but the rules, payment systems and interfaces change, so do check for current data.

                    I will cover discuss all sites according to 15 criteria, and then provide my own verdict. It should really be a table, but alas the format doesn't allow for that, so it won't.

                    [warning: IT'S A VERY LONG REVIEW, AT OVER 3,500 WORDS]


                    **DOOYOO**

                    1) Upfront payment?

                    Yes. Dooyoo offers upfront payment of 50p per premium review (over 150 words) in most categories apart from the Speaker's Corner and Archive.

                    2) Pay per member read?

                    Yes. Dooyoo pays 1.5 pence per each member read for the first three months from review's publication (or update).

                    3) Does the basic payment depend on the quality of the review?

                    No. Read pay 1.5p regardless of whether the rating was positive and even for reads not accompanied by rating.

                    4) Is there any financial recognition for quality reviews?

                    Yes. Dooyoo awards daily crowns to good reviews that have been nominated by members and dooyoo guides. These are worth £1.50

                    There are also awards fore "review of the month" worth £3.50, monthly competitions in selected categories which have three prizes of £5.

                    5) Any other site-related earning opportunities?

                    There is a "first review draw" which awards £2.50 to twenty randomly drawn first reviews in selected categories (at the moment it's Audio/Hifi, Cosmetics, Household Appliances and Telecommunication).

                    Every accepted product suggestion earns 1 penny.

                    6) Is there a way for the writers to benefit from the non-member reads?

                    Nope.

                    7) How extended is the earning potential?

                    It lasts six months from publication.

                    8) Can you re-post the reviews elsewhere?

                    Yes.

                    9) Do you need to participate in the community in order to earn?

                    Strictly speaking, no. However, being active on the site can substantially boost your earnings, as least reviews least read by members get around 10 reads (15p), while the most-read reviews can get as much as a 100 member reads (and thus £1.50). Crown nominations are partially member-generated and more likely for higher rated reviews.

                    10) Is there a way to obtain feedback on your writing?

                    Some. Dooyoo has a lively comments' system, as well as a guest book message system.

                    11) Are your earnings per text likely to go down if you post many times?

                    This depends on whether most of your earnings come from the upfront payments and possibly crowns/draws, or whether it comes from member reads. If it's the former, then not: the more the merrier. If it's the latter, the yes. Dooyoo members frown on what is called "churn" and generally, unless you are very active reading and rating, if you post more than around 3-4 reviews a week, the number of member reads will decline.

                    12) What is the payment threshold and payment options?

                    Dooyoo pays in Amazon vouchers (the threshold is £20) and by cheque (£50). Payments are processed per request and usually quick (10 days maximum).

                    Only UK residents can be paid by cheque.

                    13) Is it easy to add new products?

                    Fairly easy, although it can take anything from couple of days to two weeks. An Internet link and a photo link are required.

                    14) How wide is the variety of categories?

                    Dooyoo is a review site and thus all paying categories are at least vaguely product-related. There is a "general writing" Speaker's Corner, but reviews in those categories are not covered by upfront payment of 50p.

                    15) Is the payment system transparent and predictable?

                    The basic payment system is transparent, stable and predictable. If you set to write 100 premium reviews in a given period, you'll earn £50 plus a amount depending on the number of member reads which is clearly depending on frequency of posting and your activity on the site.

                    The crowns and competitions are not, but then one wouldn't expect them to be.

                    **CIAO**

                    1) Upfront payment?

                    No. Ciao doesn't pay for just posting reviews.

                    2) Pay per member read?

                    Varies depending on category and product.

                    Strictly speaking, the payment is per positive member rating (i.e. Helpful, Very Helpful or Exceptional). The payment depends on the product category. Some products pay 2p per positive rating, some pay 1p and most pay 0.5 pence.

                    Writing a first review for a product means that the payment doubles for the first month of the review's life.

                    None of the non-review categories (covered by Ciao Cafe) pay.

                    3) Does the basic payment depend on the quality of the review?

                    Only to the degree that it requires at least "helpful" rate. It's not hard to obtain those, as Ciao members are extremely generous in their ratings.

                    4) Is there any financial recognition for quality reviews?

                    Yes. Ciao operates a rather mysterious system called "Premium Fund" which is (seemingly arbitrarily) applied on a monthly basis. The Premium Fund has £2,000 a month to distribute. The payments used to be rather paltry but recently they have increased substantially and in my experience can be as much as £2 per review with Very Helpful ratings.

                    There are ten monthly diamonds worth £10, given to the reviews Ciao considers to be the best or most worth promoting in each of the categories.

                    5) Any other site-related earning opportunities?

                    There are weekly competitions for reviews of everyday products, which offer prizes of £7, £5 and £3.

                    6) Is there a way for the writers to benefit from the non-member reads?

                    Not directly: there is no revenue-sharing scheme.

                    However, the payment rates clearly depend on the products, so you can earn significantly more by writing first reviews in higher-paying categories. But the actual earnings are depending on member rates.

                    7) How extended is the earning potential?

                    Theoretically, member reads count for ever, but realistically, most happen in the first few days after the publication. Also, payment rates change monthly and older products with a few reviews tend to move to "non-paying status".

                    8) Can you re-post the reviews elsewhere?

                    Yes.

                    9) Do you need to participate in the community in order to earn?

                    Yes and no.

                    For a long time my answer would have been the most empathetic yes. Basic earnings are related to members reading and rating of your reviews and Ciao members tend to be very reciprocal in their behaviour. If you are not active on the site, you will not get many ratings, and with relatively low payments for most products your earnings will be minimal.

                    However, my recent experience of Ciao, consisting of (re)posting numerous reviews with very, very little site activity, proved me wrong: Premium Fund seems to operate separately from the member readings and ratings (as long as reviews are highly rated): cf. Point 4 above.

                    10) Is there a way to obtain feedback on your writing?

                    Very limited. Ciao has a comments' system, as well as a guest book private message system, but most comments are anodyne ones of a "well reviewed" type. In my experience, meaningful comments and occasional feedback are more frequent on dooyoo then on Ciao.

                    11) Are your earnings per text likely to go down if you post many times?

                    Yes, as far as basic earnings from member ratings go, in a manner similar to dooyoo. Not, as far as Premium Fund goes. In fact, anecdotally, more reviews seem to generate higher PF payments per review.

                    12) What is the payment threshold and payment options?

                    The payment threshold is £5, money is paid monthly on request, directly to a UK bank account.

                    13) Is it easy to add new products?

                    No. It's a long-winded, non-intuitive process not explained anywhere easy to find on the site.

                    14) How wide is the variety of categories?

                    Ciao, like dooyoo is a review site and thus all paying categories are at least vaguely product-related. The number and variety of products is greater than on dooyoo, but see above for requesting new ones.

                    15) Is the payment system transparent and predictable?

                    Only to a very limited extent. Premium Fund, which is likely to make up a vast majority of earnings (unless you are every active on the site and write relatively brief but Helpful-rated reviews in the best-paying categories) is rather mysterious.

                    Per-read system is clear, but the rate of payment for a given product can change (and often does change) monthly. You can't easily and realistically plan to earn a particular amount on Ciao.


                    **HELIUM**

                    Helium section needs a little bit of explanation, as the system is completely different to dooyoo and Ciao (and probably demands its own review). I will try to cover the basics needed for comparison.

                    Firstly, Helium is not a review site, although it publishes vast number of reviews. But there are also all other kinds of content, from news to how-to to advice to strictly information articles similar to wikipedia entries.

                    Helium operates a star system. Members can get up to 5 writing stars and up to 5 rating starts.

                    Rating is the biggest difference between Helium and sites like dooyoo and Ciao. Instead of having each article independently rated for quality on some sort of rating scale, Helium rating process involves reading two articles on the same subject side by side and choosing which is better. Subjects are randomly selected by the system from among the large categories you have written in, and ratings are anonymous. Thus, articles in each subject are rank-ordered: if there are 20 articles on a given subject, each is given a position from 1st to 20th. These ratings do change with time, especially when new articles are added. Complete reshuffles are not unknown, an an article that had been ranked last can shoot to the first position (and the opposite).

                    Rating stars are awarded on the basis of number an quality of ratings performed. To be eligible for many helium payments you need to have at least one rating star, which means at least 10 rates in 30 days, and maintain 75% rating score (which is ruled by a mysterious algorithm supposed to reflect a quality of your rating). It's very easy to obtain a rating star.

                    Writing stars are awarded according to rankings of your articles and the number of articles posted. A minimum of 4 articles must be in "competitive titles" (three or more articles written to it) if you have 16 articles or less. Once you reach 17 articles, 25% or more of your articles must be in competitive titles. These competitive articles count towards your writing stars. 10% of the lowest-rating ones are disregarded, and the remaining 90% have to have an average rank that is at or above the 75th percentile . Ugh. Very complex, I know. The main point is, your writing stars influence a lot of your earnings, and the higher-rating articles you write, the more writing stars you get.

                    1) Upfront payment?

                    Yes, provided you have at least one rating and at least one writing star on the last day of the month.

                    Helium pays between 0.50 and 2.50 USD per article published in qualifying categories (news, religion, entertainment, recipes and similar are excluded); the exact pay depends on the writing stars (on the last day of the month).

                    For an experienced opinionator, it's fairly easy to get 2 Helium writing stars, and that means each article posted in qualifying categories earns 1 USD.

                    There is also an "empty title bonus" for articles in qualifying categories, which also generates 1 USD.

                    2) Pay per member read?

                    No. But please look at point 6.

                    3) Does the basic payment depend on the quality of the review?

                    The upfront payment doesn't, although it depends on the number of writing stars in general.

                    The revenue-share (see 6) depends on the number of hits the article gets overall, and this, I feel, depends on the subject of your article MUCH more than anything else. A 5th ranking article on a popular subject can generate more money than a 1st article in a relatively obscure title.

                    4) Is there any financial recognition for quality reviews?

                    Not directly and not automatically, though see point 3 above.

                    5) Any other site-related earning opportunities?

                    Very much so: the trick is in making them work for you rather than against you.

                    Helium has regular contests, with prizes ranging from 5 to as much 100 USD. These tend to be of a marathon style, where writers are required to submit as many high ranking articles in a number of titles within a category in a short time (usually a week or two). I have never got anywhere in the contents, mostly because I can't produce enough articles quickly enough (and still make sure they get high rankings). The downside is that taking part in popular contests and not doing too well may negatively influence your writing stars' number.

                    Helium also offers an opportunity of selling "Stock Content": one of your articles might be bought for a publication on another site (while still staying on Helium and within your copyright) which generates small fees. I sold a few articles like that (none of them reviews, though) and was paid between 2.50 and 6 USD each time.

                    There is also a marketplace, where writers can submit specific titles for publication elsewhere. These are usually paid very well, from 20 to 200 USD, but obviously there is no guarantee that your article will be purchased. Most but not all marketplace calls for articles are by US publishers and often demand knowledge of local specifics and particular style.

                    6) Is there a way for the writers to benefit from the non-member reads?

                    Yes, very much so. Helium offers revenue-share program (which is based on pay-per-click numbers) and these accrue throughout a lifetime of your article. This depends hugely on the subject of your article as well as on amount of extra advertising and networking you do. I do write in rather less popular titles, and do none of the networking, so my earnings from revenue sharing are tiny, but still do happen: overall probably not less than member reads from Ciao.


                    7) How extended is the earning potential?

                    Revenue-sharing is not limited in time.

                    8) Can you re-post the reviews elsewhere?

                    Yes.

                    9) Do you need to participate in the community in order to earn?

                    Not in any meaningful way, though you need to rate a little bit to maintain the rating star needed for upfront payments and empty title bonus. But you don't need to interact with other members directly or even indirectly at all, as rating is anonymous.

                    10) Is there a way to obtain feedback on your writing?

                    Yes, there are community forums and mentors. I have not visited this section ever, but I believe there is a thriving community.

                    11) Are your earnings per text likely to go down if you post many times?

                    No. The more you post, the more you earn, and it's as simple as that.

                    12) What is the payment threshold and payment options?

                    The payment threshold is 25 USD, the money is paid monthly on request by PayPal.

                    13) Is it easy to add new products?

                    Yes. The process is easier than on dooyoo, and titles get added very quickly: a couple of days or less is quite common.

                    14) How wide is the variety of categories?

                    Massive. You can write on Helium on pretty much any subject, and you can add titles at will. I only had one title rejected ever, and it was for an obscure recipe. However, you need to keep at least 25% of your articles in competitive titles to be able to earn writing stars, so adding thousands of obscure ones may work against you.

                    15) Is the payment system transparent and predictable?

                    That depends whether most of your earnings come from upfront payments or revenue-share.

                    The upfront payment/empty title bonus is clear (although it takes a while to get your head round the way it works) and you can plan to write a certain number of articles on Helium and know you will earn a particular amount from upfront payments.

                    You need that rating star, and if your writing score hovers around the cut-off point between stars you might want to keep an eye on that, but within those constraints it's predictable.

                    Revenue-sharing is not predictable at all initially for new articles, but after a while you will know roughly how much your existing articles will generate.

                    Contests and marketplace (they work in a comparable way as far as earnings go) are not predictable, for obvious reasons.

                    **VERDICT**

                    Which is the winner, then? For me, there is no clear winner. I use all three, and start by publishing my reviews with dooyoo, concentrating my community activity here as the upfront payments and member reads payments are good. I then repost my reviews on Ciao in large batches with an eye to the Premium Fund. I also repost them on Helium, and scout the site for empty titles I can write in easily, making sure my stars look happy to ensure the upfront payments from there.

                    Let's look at each point, though.

                    1) Upfront payment?

                    Dooyoo wins hands down for beginners, with 50p. For writers with more pieces which are likely to be well-rated, Helium offers better rate (1 USD or more) but requires more effort in keeping the stars twinkling happily.

                    2) Pay per member read?

                    Dooyoo is the best overall, with 1.5p, but some products on Ciao pay up to 4p in certain circumstances.

                    3) Does the basic payment depend on the quality of the review?

                    Dooyoo wins here: as long as the review is 150 words long, you will be paid the basic 50p and you will get paid for member reads. Ciao demands "helpful" ratings, but it's almost impossible to write a less than helpful Ciao review. Helium star system is fraught with complications and dangers.

                    4) Is there any financial recognition for quality reviews?

                    This one is rather difficult. For a very long time, I would have chosen dooyoo with its lovely and wide-spread crown system. However, in recent months I have been getting MUCH better results from Ciao's Premium Fund. Helium doesn't directly incentivise individual quality reviews, but the general rating stars influence the amount of the upfront payment.

                    5) Any other site-related earning opportunities?

                    Helium wins hands down here, with their competitions, stock content and marketplace.

                    6) Is there a way for the writers to benefit from the non-member reads?

                    Helium wins again, being the only site offering revenue-sharing.

                    7) How extended is the earning potential?

                    And again, Helium is the only site on which your pieces will keep earning (tiny amounts, but for as long as the site exists).

                    8) Can you re-post the reviews elsewhere?

                    None of the sites demand exclusive right or expect previously unpublished content.

                    9) Do you need to participate in the community in order to earn?

                    Helium is overall the best on this score, as the only participation in the community required is limited number of considered ratings. Ciao is the worst, as the only way to earn apart from the PF is to read and rate extensively round the site.

                    10) Is there a way to obtain feedback on your writing?

                    Helium seems to treat the writing quality most seriously, with (uncharted by me) community resources dedicated to this. Ciao is the hardest site to get any feedback from.

                    11) Are your earnings per text likely to go down if you post many times?

                    Helium wins hands down as there is no reduction in earnings at all regardless of how many pieces you publish.

                    12) What is the payment threshold and payment options?

                    Ciao has the lowest threshold at £5, with dooyoo having the highest at £20 for Amazon vouchers and £50 for cash.

                    Helium is the only site that offers PayPal and thus is open to worldwide participation.

                    13) Is it easy to add new products?

                    Helium is slightly simpler (and noticeably faster) than dooyoo, as it doesn't require Internet links, but dooyoo isn't bad either.

                    14) How wide is the variety of categories?

                    Helium, again, has the largest variety, although making comparisons is not entirely fair as its' not just a review site.

                    15) Is the payment system transparent and predictable?

                    Dooyoo system is the most transparent and predictable, with Helium close second depending on your circumstances. Ciao, considering the importance of the Premium Fund to the totals, is utterly obscure.

                    ***

                    For beginners, and casual writers, dooyoo is undoubtedly the best; with decent upfront payment for anything above 150 words which has no links to whatever measures of "quality" the site has.

                    For the more committed opinionators, and especially those willing to write a variety of articles and not just product reviews, Helium is probably the top option.

                    Ciao is only worth considering in addition to one or both of the above.

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                      01.04.2009 16:23
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                      And with that, ladies and gentlemen, Dooyoo the Destroyer is heavyweight champion of reviewing!

                      Having been a member of dooyoo for about 4 months I decided to join ciao to increase my earning potential. I have now been a member of ciao for a few weeks so I thought I'd give a review of my thoughts on how it compares to dooyoo. To make it a little more interesting, I have decided to set up an imaginary boxing match between the two sites.

                      So, Ladies and Gentlemen, in the red shorts weighing 200 pounds, Ciao "The Champion" .co.uk!
                      And, in the blue shorts weighing a massive 230 pounds, I give you Dooyoo "The Destroyer" .co.uk!


                      Round 1: Ease of use

                      Out of the two sites, I much prefer using dooyoo. It is clear and easy to navigate. The front page highlights recent reviews as well as showing the categories for reviews and you can easily see how many points you have and when they will expire. There is a handy link to a list of the new reviews and you can filter these into the categories you are interested in. Ciao, on the other hand, seems cluttered and is nowhere near as visually appealing. There is far too much text on the front page and the new reviews page which makes it difficult to navigate. It also took me about 2 weeks to find the 'Ciao Café' (the equivalent of dooyoo's discussion section) which just goes to show how tricky the site can be to navigate.

                      Verdict: A barrage of body blows from dooyoo leaves ciao reeling

                      Round 2: Quality of reviews

                      A week ago this would have been an unequivocal knockout for dooyoo as there is so much copied material on ciao. Unfortunately, there seems to be more of it creeping into dooyoo. Each site has its own way of dealing with it. On ciao, less useful ratings do not earn rewards for the review so it is of no benefit to the reviewer to paste obviously copied reviews onto the site. Dooyoo still rewards reviews rated as 'not useful' but the community is more vocal about its dislike of copied reviews so this is very actively discouraged.

                      Verdict: Both contenders land an array of jabs but it's too close to call

                      Round 3: Rewards

                      I still don't understand the ciao rewards system! Having submitted 30ish reviews which have each received a number of good ratings I seem to have earned £1.72 and I can't work out what exactly I am being paid for which makes it difficult to know how to earn more. With dooyoo, it's simple: you get 500 miles for each review over 150 words (unless it is in the discussion category) then 15 miles per rating. I know exactly how I have earned the miles I have and know that to earn more I just need to keep up the standard of my reviews and participate in the community. It couldn't be simpler! Also, I was really impressed with how quickly I could reach the £50 payment threshold.

                      Verdict: An uppercut from dooyoo sees ciao hit the canvas but the plucky contender regains its composure before the referee can finish the count

                      Round 4: Community

                      I haven't been a member of ciao for very long but I haven't found the community to be anywhere near as welcoming or helpful as the dooyoo community. I recently posted a review about my Top 10 favourite websites and received comments along the lines of 'Not a very surprising list and you've missed a couple of obvious ones, I would have included youtube and Google'. So it seems that some members of ciao don't really read reviews properly - I made it clear that these were my favourite sites rather than 'the best' - and they don't seem as friendly as dooyoo members. Within a couple of weeks of being on dooyoo, people were giving me advice about how to improve my reviews and I already had some favourite reviewers as there is more interaction between users on dooyoo than there is on ciao.

                      Verdict: With a right hook worthy of Muhammad Ali, dooyoo knocks ciao clean off its feet. Ciao hits the mat hard, the referee counts, it's all over!

                      Dooyoo.co.uk wins by knockout!

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                        I am a member of Dooyoo.co.uk and also a memeber of Ciao.com and I have to say that Dooyoo is hands down a better website that is much more enjoyable and straight forward to be a part of compared to Ciao.com and here is my reasoning behind this.

                        Navagating through the Dooyoo website is much easier than navagating around the Ciao.com website, I found it hard in the begining to find my way to any new reviews or reviews specific about products on Ciao, though on Dooyoo this is really easy to do.

                        Reviews posted on Dooyoo seem to be more useful as a whole than the Ciao.com website, Dooyoos members seem to put more useful advice in their reviews and dont babble as much to fill space.

                        Members on Dooyoo on the whole seem to be more helpful and friendly than members on the Ciao.com site, this is a real positive to the site and one of the reasons than I have stuck with Dooyoo over any other site so far.

                        Dooyoo allows users to make money in a more straight forward way compared to Ciao.com, I wrote 4 reviews for Ciao.com and didnt make a penny, and on this website you know that you will earn your precious dooyoo miles for writing a review, unless the review has been archived or is a discussion review. Ciao.com works by giving money through ratings, i.e more money is handed out for a v useful than a useful rating, this is not fair in my opinion because especially on Ciao.com, there are a lot of revenge raters and this effects the amount of money that people with great reviews makes.

                        One thing I do think is good about the Ciao.com website is that you cannot upload a profile picture until the picture has been approved by the Ciao.com website, so no rude or inappropriate pictures will appear. However you must use a picture of yourself which some people would prefere not to do, like me, I like to use my Hello Kitty picture that Dooyoo allow.

                        So overall when it comes to the important things in a website, Dooyoo is rated way higher on my list to Ciao.com. I have been trying to join Ciao.co.uk for a while now, but they wont let me join blaming technical problems, and havent sorted the problem even though I have emailed them countless times in the last month, so they have caused me problems from the word go and I cant rate them at all.

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                          Dooyoo v Ciao

                          ===Background===

                          I thought in this review I would compare Dooyoo with Ciao.co.uk, these are the two sites I use and I wanted to share my thoughts with you.

                          I joined Ciao just over a year ago; it was the first review site I had ever written reviews for. I knew of Dooyoo existence almost as soon as I joined but didn't join until towards the end of the year. I didn't initially want to join, as I would rather do one site properly than two badly, that was my thoughts on the subject anyway. However fate was to lend a hand as my job became only Part-Time so I realised perhaps I did have time to write, read and rate on both after all.

                          ===Layout ===

                          Dooyoo- I find the layout of the site and the way you can work your way round it very simple and easy to do. It is very user friendly in this respect and I found within days I was a confident user. Maybe I was helped by the fact I had joined Ciao first and roughly knew what I was looking for but yes it is very user friendly. Ideal for new users and those who do not use the site very often.
                          Ciao- The Ciao site takes a little more getting used to I believe. Despite it's new layout or maybe because of it. It is now harder to tell if you have rated a review and has never been easy to check who has been kind enough to rate yours.

                          Dooyoo 1 Ciao 0

                          ===Guides and Support===

                          Dooyoo- This is a feature that I really appreciate, especially handy for new users is the support and advice of the Guides. I like the feature that there are different ones in each category and the ones I have spoken to have all been helpful and quick to answer your questions. They don't seem to mind answering general questions about the site and I think this is such a good feature.
                          Ciao- I think on Ciao there is only one Guide this could be reflected in the differing size of the site but I think this must make it hard for new users who are bound to have questions.

                          Dooyoo 2 Ciao 0

                          ===Technical Support===
                          Dooyoo- I have received good support on this site. My issues have been dealt with in a professional and timely manner.
                          Ciao-The Technical support I have received had also been very good and all my problems have been addressed quickly

                          Dooyoo 3 Ciao 1

                          ===Money===
                          Dooyoo- Dooyoo is very generous with payment in my view. Firstly you get 50p for every review over 150 words you complete, then you get 1.5p for every rate regardless of whether they are good, bad or indifferent. I think the average reviewer will earn more on this site because the community is larger so more reviews will hopefully be rated, thus increasing earning. This system is simple to understand and effective.
                          Ciao- This review site will pay you between 0p-2p for any review rated Excellent, Very helpful or helpful. The system for understanding how much you will receive I find confusing and just except what ever I'm given. Your earnings can increase dramatically with the help of the Premium fund. This is shared out between members of the Community according to the quality of their work. It is £2000 in total and encourages writers to take more time and trouble to produce the best reviews they can.

                          Dooyoo 4 Ciao 2

                          ===Community atmosphere===

                          Dooyoo- Has a good community feel about it. Usually if you rate people they will rate your work back. It is a big community but with on the whole a friendly feel about it. I have been lucky enough to meet and make some lovely people through the community and it is a nice feature about the site.
                          Ciao- The community feel at Ciao has always impressed me. Maybe because I am a regular writer, reader and rater and of course I have been on longer than Dooyoo. I very often receive feedback, friendly messages from users. I think it is a site where people are more willing to give you constructive criticism and you can take it on board if you wish, but it is always meant to help and improve your writing skills.

                          Dooyoo 4 Ciao 3

                          ===Mailbox===
                          Dooyoo- I particularly like the feature regarding if you have a new message you are immediately aware of it, in Ciao you are not told you have to go into your mailbox to find out if you have or not. I think it is a feature on Dooyoo that the mailboxes are not used too much, certainly mine is not.
                          Ciao- One feature I like about the Ciao mailbox is you have a public and private one. I think if you want to give someone feedback on a particular issue about a review it is really useful to have a Private mailbox and keep the Public one for general communications. Certainly I find I get more messages from friends and feedback in my Ciao account than I do with Dooyoo and I find this helpful and enjoyable.

                          Dooyoo 5 Ciao 4

                          ===New Product Approvals===
                          Dooyoo- So far I have put about a dozen new product requests through. I have never had a product request refused, but in my experience it can take between one and three weeks to be completed.
                          Ciao- I have put through many new requests on this site and it takes less than a week to get the items transferred so that I can write my review.

                          Dooyoo 5 Ciao 5

                          ===Rewards for very good and excellent reviews===
                          Dooyoo- This site offers Crowns for the best reviews each week. These can nominated by fellow users and decided upon by Dooyoo. The money for these isn't great £1.50 but certainly obtainable to the average community user and can be a lovely bonus to receive and feel your work is appreciated. They also offer Monthly rewards for three reviews within a particular product range.

                          Ciao- Ciao only rewards Monthly. These are called Diamonds and are given to the best 20 reviews in any product group for that particular month. The prize for getting one of these is £20 and they really encourage writers to go the extra mile to polish off their reviews. From my view I find these hard to achieve but I know all those that have got this have written a memorable piece of work.

                          Dooyoo 6 Ciao 5

                          ===Competitions===
                          Dooyoo- Has its far share of Competitions each month (3 for March). Which are review of the month, Monthly Comp and First review draw. The prizes for these vary but if I were being critical I would say there is nothing new and exciting in this section. It may need revamping with fresh ideas to improve it and get people writing in it.

                          Ciao- Ciao also has one very popular competition running each week called Product of the week. This offers to 3 prizes of £7, £5 and £3 for the best three reviews on a chosen product every week. Although I have never entered this myself, I enjoy reading, rating and selecting what I think is the best every week and see if that corresponds with the judges.

                          Dooyoo 6 Ciao 6

                          ==Friends===
                          Both sites reward individuals when friends they have recommended join the site.
                          Dooyoo 7 Ciao 7

                          ===How to use the site===

                          Dooyoo- I really like Dooyoo's approach to this; the Guided tour is an excellent, user-friendly tool that encourages new users to use the site.
                          Ciao- Does not offer support like this. Yes there is a help page and questions answered but for new users I can see it is confusing without a tour of some kind.

                          Dooyoo 8 Ciao 7

                          ===Ratings===
                          Dooyoo- The ratings system on Dooyoo is very simple and I sometimes wonder if some people who rate reviews are not just being too kind with their ratings. Maybe they are afraid of revenge ratings but I do tend to find most reviews seem to get a Very Helpful regardless of their content or details. Maybe the site needs an excellent rating too? For me more feedback would be really useful when I write my reviews as I want to encompass every angle.

                          Ciao- What I have found with Ciao from my experience is I have received both good and bad ratings for my work, but what I really like and appreciate is feedback. When someone rates you low I think it is only right to explain to someone what in his or her opinion could have made the review better, otherwise how can we improve. Ciao members for me are very good and fair about this. We will not always agree on a point but I always like to know others opinions

                          Dooyoo 8 Ciao 8

                          ===Conclusion:===
                          I had a feeling when I planned this review it might be close as I knew there were features on both sites I really like and appreciate. For me it proves that both sites are excellent and I hope I never have to make a choice between them.

                          Thank you for reading my review I hope you enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed thinking and writing about it!

                          @CPTDANIELS March 2009.

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                            27.02.2009 14:27
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                            The other websites arent a patch on Dooyoo

                            Before I was introduced to Dooyoo, I had tryed out a lot of other opinion sites, namely Ciao, which is what I mainly wrote on. After writing on Dooyoo for a couple of days, I quickly started to realise that Dooyoo was a lot better, and more simple in its design. On Ciao, you dont get rewarded for every review that you do, however on this review site, you are rewarded for everything you.

                            In addition to this, coming back to Ciao, you get get rewarded when someone else rates your review, which does happen on Ciao, but not for every review that you write, so sometimes, you main write a lot of reviews, and not get paid for any of them.

                            Another site which I was a fan of was Toluna, which lets you vote in polls, and write short opinions on topics. You recieve points, just like Dooyoo for everything that you do, and when you have reached the minimum needed, you can redeem them. However, the waiting period for your rewards is almost double that of Dooyoo, and there is a lot of waiting around with this site.

                            To sum up, I think that Dooyoo is a site that is much easier to look at and navigate, easier to use, and most of all, it has a better rewards system, better than any other on the Internet, and now, I have stopped using the majority of the sites I used before, they just arent worth it, when you compare them to Dooyoo.

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                              Dooyoo wins for me1

                              I can only compare Dooyoo to the Ciao site as these are the only two consumer review sites that I have experience of.

                              I feel that Dooyoo has a lot of advantages over Ciao, particularly from the point of view of the writer. Compared with Ciao, Dooyoo is very transparent in the way that it rewards its members with 500 Dooyoo miles (equivalent to 50p) being awarded for reviews of over 150 words, 1.5p for a read or a review and an extra £1.50 for reviews that are awarded the 'coveted' crowns.

                              The Ciao payment system still eludes me! Nevertheless, I was pleasantly surprised to be given £11 via the premium fund for November and a further £4 in December as my contributions to Ciao are not very prolific. I had only submitted 7 reviews in November and 5 in December - so they were very well rewarded.

                              Overall I prefer the layout and ease of use of the Dooyoo site. It is easy to recommend and suggest new products for review. However, on the Ciao site I am still trying to work out how to suggest new products. Once again it seems 'shrouded' in mystery.

                              I find the people on Dooyoo very encouraging on the whole - but i have no 'friends' on Ciao!

                              The biggest drawback with Dooyoo is having to reach the amount of £50 if you want to have your rewards in cash.. I would prefer it if the cashout level was reduced and payment made by BACS. In contrast Ciao has a much lower payout threshold and it is possible to request payment once £5 has been reached.

                              The most frustrating thing about Ciao, however, is the slowness of the site. This really discourages me from reviewing and rating as waiting for the page to change is akin to watching paint dry!

                              It's a close contest between the two sites, but my personal preference is Dooyoo - I can spend hours on the Dooyoo site! Not so with Ciao!

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                                Dooyoo is great, but I think it should open opportunities for the international members as well

                                There are more and more opinion site in the net I have gone through, from CIAO, comparedby, epinions and the other. And for me as a writer, dooyoo is still the best.

                                My only concern about dooyoo is that it would not pay cash for international member like me, while the other paying opinion sites paid for the international members. Though it really doesn't matter as I can always get my amazon voucher, but it would be better if I could get the cash out of it.

                                The best thing in dooyoo that the other place doesn't have is the stability. Dooyoo has the stable reputation and it pays like it should. While the other place started to be in trouble, dooyoo kept going on, so that's how I like dooyoo better than the other.

                                I once thought that comparedby.us would be better, but then it started to ban people whose balance is quite high, and it didn't pay me last month. They even started to put the members in classes and give the review limitation for those people, which never happened in dooyoo.

                                So despite of the payment system, I don't think I have problems with dooyoo. Do you?

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