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I see myself as being straight when it comes to sexuality and so you might think why would I bother to share my views seeing as I'm entitled to a marriage (and am married) and all the legal privileges this brings with it. Well because people I care about and love happen to love those of the same sex and they don't have the same rights and privileges as I do. Now, I often get ram-rodded with the usual right-wing nonsense about civil partnerships offering the same rights and privileges as a marriage does. Yes, legally, I suppose that is a correct statement (at least to my knowledge) but I suppose the argument isn't really a legal one when you take the legality of the situation out of the 'gay' marriage equation.
So what's it all about? It's about equality, it's about giving a large group of people something which they have been denied - and in the past condemned and criminialised for - for decades. Now can a person be religious *and* a supporter of gay marriage? My view is that the churches who are opposed to gay marriage should have the right to deny marrying two men or women but that if a couple want to be married in a religious establishment that will perform a marriage ceremony (and people are currently being denied this right) then they should be afforded this right. Ultimately the church shouldn't interfere with matters of the state, of the people, because beliefs should be through choice, not force and no one should be forced to follow a moral path just because you believe it is 'right' or 'wrong.'
At the end of the day the major religions won't be knocked by gay marriage, as long as the state protects the right of a church to refuse to perform a marriage ceremony and so with this in mind it obliterates the argument any major religious body puts forward to debunk gay marriage. Yes you may believe being gay is wrong, heck you may even believe that gay marriage is morally wrong...but it doesn't give anyone the right to decide it's wrong for those individuals who have the power of making their own choices in life. If I have the freedom to worship the God and religion of my choice then so should an individual be free to decide who they wish to live with, love and marry. It's that simple in my mind.
I believe we'll get to a point in our history where we'll look back at ourselves and think the human race was very far behind in evolution when it denied marriage between two men or two women. Personally? I don't see a problem with it at all. It wouldn't be my choice but that's the key word; choice. And by denying two people to marry you're taking away their choice to decide what is best for them. To me that's backwards, dis-compassionate and very far removed from where we should be, as a human race.
I do enjoy Shakespeare but I've never been a fan of Romeo and Juliet. I don't buy love at first sight as love, and what it encompasses, deserves more substance that an instant attraction. I can't tell you what true love means , it's meaning changes with perspective, but I do know one thing (Thanks to Burt Bacharach), It's the only the thing that there's just too little of.
Love may be fleeting, with a sell by date that begins degrading from the day it starts, or maybe love truly can survive a lifetime. It don't matter, when it is found it should be cherished and celebrated. If two consenting adults want to stand in front of their friends, family, the world and declare that this is the person they love, the person they believe they want to spend the rest of their lives with, to grow old with, in sickness and in health, then no one has the right to stop them. We should applaud them and hope that everyone else in the world may be just as lucky.
People keep talking about the institution of marriage, as if it's an amazing entity when in reality opposite sex couples take marriage for granted. I know a number of people who married for convenience, safety, security. I know both men and women who cheat on their wives or husbands. So many marriages are flawed, surely what damage can allowing single sex couples to marry as well inflict on the concept? Yes, there are civil partnerships, but the connotations linked with them is 'less than', it's a pretend marriage, a substitution offered that causes segregation and highlights difference. If love is difference blind, shouldn't the process we use to celebrate it be blind also?
I'm not religious, I think religion is process in which to control and supress but I understand that people hold different believes to myself and that they are entitled in a liberal society to worship their faith in any way that they choose as long as it is not at the expense of others. If everyone had the same courtesy there would not be an issue.
Allowing same sex marriages harms no one and the world needs as much love as it can get.
It's really strange: after a debate erupted throughout my psychology class today about gay marriages I come on here, look through the general section for the first time and am greeted by this topic about gay marriage- obviously with it still fresh in my mind I've decided I'd give my opinion on it all. As this is still quite a contaversial debate in life I am going to stress what I say is just my own personal opinion taken from what I've read, seen and my experiences in life- nothing is being write to offend so please don't take it that way.
I'm gonna start by saying I generally can't believe how homophobic my class are after hearing what some of them said today, for a group of young people they have some incredibly strong beliefs and are more than happy to express them in a way I personally found to be quite offensive. I'm not gay and I'm perfectly happy this way but my views very much stand at: if you love someone why shouldn't you be with them? We live life with the aim to make it the happiest we possibly can and I find it hard to believe that someone would defy another person of being their true selfs and having a relationship with another person regarless of gender, race, religion etc. I'm not religious nor am I too bothered about big celebrations so marriage isn't something that particularly appeals to me (I'd be just as happy spending my life with the man I love without having a certificate to prove this) but I have some strictly Christian friends who see marriage and doing things 'properly' as a very important thing in their life and the same goes for many homosexual individuals around the world so I personally think gay marriage (in a church or anywhere else) is fine and the perfect way for many homosexual couples, like hetrosexual couples, to share this with the world and infront of their God make a commitment to the person they want to spend eternity with.
One thing that really stood out to me today was before the argument had even started whilst the tutor was reading an article about gay couples having children one girl loudly stated 'that's disgusting' and something that shocked me even more was the tutor agreed. Now I'm fine with the fact that others don't share my opinions but I found this to actually be a way a horrible way to express so. Though this review isn't about gay couples having children I feel like marriage it is, for many, a basic part of life and why they shouldn't be able to do either to me is just ridiculous. I know many gay couples who love each other a lot more than many straight couples that marry and many who have been much better parents than some straight parents- how our sexual orientation will affect how good a partner or parent we are is well beyond me. You get good straight parents, you get bad: you get good gay parents, you get bad- notice the recurring theme that this is not based upon sexual orientation.
It got very heated today and many of those who believed it was wrong ended up screaming and shouting over everyone else and one girl even admitted she was shacking when it was over as she had got so worked up. Many (if not all) of those who were strongly voicing their opinion come from an ethnic minority and just this thought makes me laugh as they are very much for equal rights for all ethnicitys- it was the way they were born why should they discriminated against because of this- yet the exact same applies for gay people. People don't choose to be gay and just like their race or gender it is something that they can't change so what gives someone they've never met the right to say they can't marry? It doesn't. It eventually got to the point where 'murders can repent but gay people can't'-I don't even want to comment on my thoughts of this as I can't make a promise that it will be appropriate for a site accessible to children.
Many views are based upon religion but I can't find any to bring a substantial arguement when many contradictions can be found in pretty much all religions so how we can take every word written as the truth is impossible. I understand that many say gay marriage is fine as long as it isn't done in a Church, Synagog, etc but then for me this is saying that these people are doing something wrong, that their religious beliefs don't matter and that they are less a person because they want to marry someone that traditionally they shouldn't.
I also can't quite work out why this should matter to many people who don't believe being gay or having a gay marriage is right- all I can think is 'don't have one then'. If you don't like it avoid it. Something that two men, you've never met, are doing officiated by a priest that is happy to do so doesn't require you to get upset or criticise.
Although not as celebrated or noted as other parts of history gay men and women have always been part of life and many of the great people that have made the world what it is today were gay or suspected gay- it is a natural thing, science has proven it is a natural thing, why would 'God' make someone like this if it wasn't a natural thing?
I think it is great that many celebrities and TV shows/ films are now promoting gay marriage as a good thing as that it what it is and it is things like that, that will open up this world to many young people that have been struggling to tell the world that they are gay out of fear of being ridiculed or seen as different- showing them that gay marriage is fine is part of this. The 'It Gets Better' campaign was a brilliant project launched by married gay couple Dan Savage and Terry Miller made to make this world better for many gay young people. I respect these people a lot more than I do someone who for no real reason believes that can make decisions for someone else.
I've grown up in what I see to be a fairly liberal generation where things are a lot more multi cultural and respectful of other people regardless of their lifestyle or belief and although I wouldn't say the same for my parents and some of the things they believe I'm proud to say they have let me defy my own understanding of the world. We are moving into an accepting world where people all have the same rights regarless of who they are and so this should be reflected in the laws, punishments and attitudes we have for homosexual lifestyles. I will walk into my psychology class on Monday with new views on these people I had previously seen as lovely people. There is no reason why gay marriage shouldn't be done so when this country comes to finally accept this I feel we will live in a much better place.
well this is definately a subject that can cause controversy so here we go i just want to put my thoughts on the subject. Gay marriage is definately becoming more popular now a days and i don't see the harm in it.
If straight people can marry then why not gay people they deserve the right to marry as well their no different. I think its great that the law has changed so that gay people have more rights now a day. I'm friends with some gay people and have actually attended some of their weddings and seeing their happiness on their big day was great. I know some religions say gay marriages are wrong but at then end of the day my opinion is you cant help who you fall for and shouldn't be punished for being in same sex relationships. I really do feel for the people who want to enter into a gay marriage and get ridiculed for it. i think the general public have to realise times are changing and get used to it.
Who are we to say who can marry and who cant theres nothing wrong with being in a same sex relationship. I think denying same sex marriages is discrimination based on sexual orientation. I also think its in breach of our basic human rights to deny them of getting married. I hope I havn't offended anyone with this review its a touchy subject to discuss.
thank you for reading my review
I've been debating whether or not to write this "review" as I really don't want to offend anyone's opinions or beliefs so please keep in mind that this is just my opinion on the subject, right or wrong, it's just what I think! I think that almost everyone will have an opinion on gay marriage as it's become quite a popular subject in recent years since becoming legal in the United Kingdom in 2005 (why did it take this long???). I accept that you have to look at all sides of the argument to form an opinion so that is what I am going to do, although my opinion on this was formed a long time ago!!
Christianity And Gay Marriage
I'm not a Christian so have no personal views from this angle, this information is just research based. Some Christians believe that same sex relationships are wrong because relationships should be between a man and a woman so that they can reproduce. The other argument is that God created a man and a woman so going against this with same sex relationships are wrong. Personally, this doesn't really mean much to me because there are many more arguments against these particular beliefs. As I said, I wouldn't want to offend anyone's religious beliefs as we're all entitled to our own opinion so I'm not going to go too much into the religious point of view.
I have never really understood homophobia. I know that some people were brought up thinking that being gay was wrong, to me this isn't a good excuse because we all have our own minds and form our own opinions as we grow older, so why should being told that homosexuality is wrong stick with you for the rest of your life? It shouldn't, there is no excuse. The other thing that sometimes gets pointed out is that the people who are homophobic are the ones that are insecure with their own sexuality..Maybe this isn't a fact but it does seem to happen in that way. I don't think it's fair that homophobia even exists, just because being gay is the minority not the majority, doesn't mean that it's wrong. One thing that bugs me are stereotypes surrounding being gay. Not ALL gay men are camp, I have a lot of gay male friends and not one acts like this, there are some but you can't criticise some one for being themselves! Also, not ALL gay women are 'butch'! I know gay females who wear dresses, make up, perfume, the works. People shouldn't just assume these stereotypes. Being gay, bisexual or straight is just the way you are. You can't change your sexuality, it would be like me forming a club and saying, for example, "you can't be a part of this group because you have blue eyes", but that's not fair because you can't change the colour of your eyes. I know that's a strange example but you get the point?
My Opinions On Gay Marriage
As if I haven't said enough already! Lol sorry, I'm a bit over opinionated. Who cares if a man marries a man or a man marries a woman? Or if a woman marries a woman or a woman marries a man? (Confusing I know, I couldn't think of a simpler way to put it!). Basically, it doesn't affect you personally if a gay couple decide to marry does it? Ok, you may not agree with it, but it won't have any affect on your life. Every person in the world has a right to happiness (with exceptions, obviously), if two people are in a relationship and they're in love and want to spend the rest of their lives together then why shouldn't they? Why shouldn't gay couples have the same rights as straight couples? I think it's about time the country moved on a bit, gay marriage or homosexuality shouldn't be an issue these days when there are so many other things going on in the world. Being gay is no different to being straight, bi, whatever (apart from the obvious things), you can't help who you fall for and everyone deserves the right to do what they want with their lives, so overall, I'm very happy that gay marriage is legal and hope that some people's views change soon.
I hope I haven't offended anyone with this review.
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I am completely in favour gay weddings or civil partnerships or whatever you choose to call them. There is no good reason I can think of why two people of the same sex shouldn't be able to proclaim their ongoing love for one another in front of the friends and family just as heterosexual couples have been able to for centuries.
I hope that the rise in the number of gay couples getting civil partnerships will go some way to destroy the myth that homosexual people are more promiscuous than heterosexuals. I don't know why this myth has persisted but many people still seem to believe that gay men in particular are more likely to sleep around. The gay people I know don't seem to be any more promiscuous than the straight people I know and their relationships don't appear to be any less meaningful than other relationships.
I'm not sure on the legal implications of civil partnerships but I would hope that gay couples in a partnership would be afforded the same rights as a married heterosexual couple. If anyone knows about this please let me know if I am right about this.
As for the members of the dooyoo community - you know who you are - that have commented that they don't like 'camp' and think gay weddings are too loud or flamboyant, I have one question: Have you ever been to a straight wedding? It's a big bundle of frilly dresses, flowers, kids dressed up in dinner jackets, lots of pastel colours and people crying. I don't see how anything could be more camp than that!
I really hope that civil partnerships lead to a greater acceptance of gay couples. I think that often people can't see beyond the camp and flamboyant examples of homosexuality that frequently appear in the media. Not all gay men are giggling and flippant just as not all gay women are butch man-haters. There is as much diversity within the gay community as there is within the heterosexual community and there is no reason why one group should be afforded rights that are denied the other.
If there is one pet hate that I have it is that people outcast other people becuase of their sexuality, race, religion or goodness knows what else. We are all human and because a man wants to marry another man or a woman another woman, who has a right to say that is right or wrong? Nobody! We are all equal, we are all human, we all live, breath, eat like each other and because someone is a different sexuality to yourself doesnt mean that they are not human or they do not have feelings. I hate it when people make comments about homosexual people holding hands in the street, snides like "thats disgusting", it makes me sick. Who are these people to judge someone on what they do or say or feel. I belive gay marriage is correct, there is no right or wrong way to live your life, yes i belive that you should stay within the law and be clean living etc and that is what homosexuals are doing, just like the rest of us. We are all part of a whole and i beleive that gay couples have exactly the same right if not more right to get married than straight people. The reason i say if not more right is because the gay community has had to fight heart and soul to get permission granted for them to be married to someonethey love and we got it easy. Give them a break, we are all human.
If you know me on Dooyoo, I stick up for peoples rights. I get in so many arguments on this site because I believe that everyone has the right to live their life as they wish. If you are not causing harm to others around you, then your actions are not wrong. I also believe that if two by choice are participating in a certain action, then it is the action of two, even if one is taking advantage slightly. Is this relevant to the issue of Gay Marriages? Only slightly, but the link between this and the issue comes later. I think that my views of life are important in this situation, so people can grasp a better understanding of my opinion.
I'm a practising Catholic, admittedly, I am not certain with the situation of what the bible agrees or disagrees with, although I don't think it's approved of. I could hide my head behind the bible and let the bible give my opinions for me, which I think many do. As committed as I am to my prayers and to the Lord's wishes, Its time I place the bible on the table and start having dignity, start sticking up for what I believe - everyone, old or young, has the right to live their own life.
I am not gay, so maybe my opinions on the matter may seem pretty empty and meaningless to some, but its the opinions of the straight that affects the rights of the gay. Its true, but is this justified? Is it fair that straight people, just because their life is more conventional, have the right to be "married", and call one their husband or wife, whilst gay have to use the term "civil partnership"? Gay people are NOT second class citizens in society. Did we not have this same problem many years ago, where white people had the right to do things that black people couldn't? Nowadays we would see this as a horrible, dark, period of history that was unjustified and has now came to a revolution. In my opinion time is repeating itself, just perhaps not as severe, but purely as cruel.
I really, really, wonder what is the deal with people not wishing gay people to be married? Does it affect their way of life? Does it cause harm to their society. There are many unwanted children being adopted by gay couples, do these couples who are rescuing these unwanted children and giving them a loving caring home not deserve to be a proper married couple? Yet, after this some would still say no.
Now think of this, what is the difference between a straight couple, and a gay couple. There are two of the same sexual organs involved? Is this one little difference really enough to say gay people should not be allowed marriage? But honestly, for those who think gays should not be allowed to marry: where is your respect? Why is it so hard so accept gay relationships when most of/if not ALL of the time it has nothing to do with us? It does not affect straight people in any way, shape, or form so why be such a b**** about the situation and let them be!
I say people who disagree with gay marriages are extremely disrespectful towards gays and should sit back and allow people to live their own lives. Its sick!!
Although one day I do think gays will be able to marry like straights all over the world, returning to the issue of blacks & discrimination, we all said there would never be a black president? God bless Barack Obama! I truly believe if changes like this can happen in America, maybe the UK can come to its senses, and start accepting people for their differences. One day, one day.
people may thing gay marriage is wrong and trust me i think seeing two girls or guys kiss is wrong and gross but it's their choice it makes them happy and the people that t are with make them happy girl and girl or guy and guy personally i think if t wanna get married and have a family i'm not gunna try stop them because iwould rather see people happy than misserable i have a best friend who was straight and very misserable she found her girlfriend and now she is the happiest person. people can go around saying shit about gay people but in reality we are all getting called the same stuff just for different things we all get rumours spread about us no matter if we are straight or gay if you don't like it then don't lo no-one is making you watch.......
Whether or not gay marriage should be made legal is one of the biggest issues in most parts of the world today, and causes the most heated debate by otherwise seemingly sane people.
Over the years there have been many, many arguments against gay marriage and I'm about to explain to you why none of them are hold any water in a rational world of logic.
There are plenty of arguments against gay marriage, many of them coming from a religous standpoint, and many coming from pure lack of understanding about homosexuality and homosexuals.
So here goes
Argument #1: Marriage is an institution between one man and one woman
This is very true, and cannot be argued with. However, this doesn't mean that it cannot be changed, and has not been changed. In the past marriage was between one man and one woman of the same colour (For a time African Americans were not actually allowed to marry atall, in fact in one state polygyny was legalised before African American marriage). It's also been a contract between a man and woman of the same religion, then just a man and a woman. You see the defininition of marriage is allowed to change. Sure, you may not want it too, but it can, so that in itself is not really and argument as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.
Argument #2: A Gay relationship cannot produce children, and that's what marriage is about
Nowhere, when a heterosexual couple marrys is there anything written in the contract or said that means they must produce children. They may openly admit not even wanting to have children, they will not be stopped getting married. People who are infertile can also get married, along with the elderly who can no longer have children.
We live in a world practically stretched to breaking point. The population is 6.6 billion and rising on a planet that can naturally support a billion. The last thing we ought to be doing is making having children a moral obligation for two adults who are in love and wish to spend their lives together.
That aside, gay people are capable of having children. The creation of IVF, sperm donors and turkey basters have done wonders for lesbians especially!
Argument #3:But a Gay relationship isn't a good environment for children
Let's be honest, anyone who has been a child, or known a child knows that there are three things that makes a suitable environment for raising a child, and they are the amount of understanding, support and love that child recieves as it grows.
Argument #4:Marriage is a religious institution and all religions believe homosexuality is immoral
Unfortuantely, marriage is not simply a religious institution. It involves legal rights (over a thousand of them) and that makes it a government issue. A taxpayers issue (thats the gay people too that is!).
If it were a religious institution all marriages would take place in a place of worship. They would all be religious ceremonies, but they're not, many atheists have no mention of religion or God in their ceremony. Speaking of atheists, if marriage were purely a religious institution atheists wouldn't even be able to get married.
All of this aside, homosexuals have always been able to have the 'religious' ceremony in a church. It was called a relationship blessing. All they haven't been allowed is the legal rights. What does religion have to do with legal rights?
But ok! I'll play. Say it IS a religious institution, I'm a pagan....Can I please marry now as my religion says nothing against homosexuality. Kthanx!
Argument #5:Gay marriage would force religions to marry gay couples even though they believe it is wrong
This is easy. No vicar or priest is EVER forced to marry anyone. Thats right. Been divorced? Well, they don't have to marry you. Don't go to church? They don't have to marry you either.
Argument #6:Homosexual behaviour is unnatural and legalising gay marriage is encouraging a behaviour that is wrong and should be discouraged
I get irritated when people on the internet condemn something for being 'unnatural'. Don't like unnatural? Then get off your unnatural computer, take off your 'unnatural' clothes, and get outside in the fresh air, eat bugs, drink muddy water, and build yourself a house made of sticks.
To say homosexuality is unnatural is ridiculous. Noone takes drugs to become homosexual, we don't have an artificial chip put in our brains which make us fancy people of the same sex, we just DO. So do many animals. Over a thousand different species have been observed having gay sex, and gay relationships wherein they pair up as if they were with the opposite sex. Generally this happens when that particular species are overpopulated in a certain area.
As for it not being encouraged, people are going to be gay whether you allow gay marriage or not. Having or not having gay marriage is neither encouraging nor discouraging. People aren't going to start 'turning' gay just because gay people can get married.
Argument #7: I think gay couples should be allowed civil unions, but should leave marriage as a sacred religous union between a man and a woman
There is a distinct lack of understanding here by people who actually believe marriage is sacred. Marriage stopped being sacred when you could get divorced, it wasn't sacred from the second you could get forced into marriage with a stranger by your parents, it wasn't sacred when Britney Spears got divorced after 55 hours, it wasn't sacred when you could get married by an alchoholic in an Elvis costume in Las Vegas. Marriage is NOT sacred. How allowing gay people to marry could make marriage any less sacred is beyond me....
Argument #8: Allowing homosexuals to marry will damage the institution of marriage
Allowing people to marry cannot damage the institution of marriage. It's not like straight people are going to suddenly stop getting wed if they see that gay people are allowed to do it!
Argument #9: If we allow gays to marry it will lead to polygamy, beastiality, and adults marrying children
Aaah! The good old slippery slope argument. The last argument you use when you realise there is no other argument. You can literally apply this argument to ANYTHING.
Example: 'A black president? What next?A woman? A donkey? A plant? When does the madness end? It's a slippery slope I tell ya!'
The fact is gay marriage is a consentual contract between two adults who love each other, don't hurt anybody, and are capable of making up their own minds about who they love. No amount of screaming about sheep, goats and babies is going to change that
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Everybody should have the right to choose if they want to get married or not! Whether Straight, Gay or Bi-sexual - it has absolutely nothing to do with anybody else if 2 people in love what to get married! I fully support gay marriage! (Or just marriage, as I call it!)
Homophobia in all of it's ugly forms needs to be put firmly in the past! I have never and will never understand why a person would be against two people falling in love and marrying? Simply because they are gay? Homosexuality is perfectly normal and marriage, for some people, is the natural next step for people in love, so why would anybody want to take that away from gay people?
There should be a 'straight marriage' or 'gay marriage' it should simply just be marriage!
What more can I say, other than I fully support the marriage between two people if that's what they choose, whether gay or straight!
To address the question of gay marriage you really need to address the church's views to homosexuality and figure out whether that's right or wrong. If I work on a solely Christian basis, the main church's tend to be very much against homosexuality and while that attitude is prevalent you cannot expect to have gay marriages accepted. So my aim here is to look at what the church itself believes and whether this is right or wrong.
Church and Homosexuality...and never the two should mix I hear many say. Not in my opinion. I am a "devout" Christian (on a good day)...but I do have a different line on homosexuality than many Christians.
First of all the books in the Bible were written by people belonging to different cultures and speaking different languages. This doesn't seem important on it's own, however to understand the Bible fully we need to have a decent understanding of these cultures and languages. A few points that emphasise are that references to homosexuality in the Bible only ever refer to males, however in todays society where all are equal then lesbianism should be mentioned. Do we take this to mean that it is only male homosexuality that our God condemns, or just that they lived in a male orientated society and females weren't thought of. Also the Greek language has several words for what we would today class as homosexuality; some mean abuse, some mean prostitution but none refer to a consenting relationship and on the same track the Greek language has no word for heterosexuality which makes it hard to find a reference for homosexuality.
Linked to the idea of mistranslating the Greek word for homosexuality I would like to move on to the well known passage of Leviticus 18 often associated with homosexuality - 'you shall not lie will a man as a man lies with a woman.' Seems simple enough, yes? No. This has been re-translated to actually mean 'lie not with a man as males[plural] lie with a woman[singular].' In this it is referring to prostitution rather than a loving homosexual relationship. This is 'confirmed' by Dt 23; 17-28 which are often used as a second version of the Leviticus laws, the corresponding law states 'there shall be no cult of prostitution as for a woman...nor for a man...abomination to God.'
Looking next at the use of Biblical authority against other moral issues of equal importance. For example divorce, Scripture similarly states that women are inferior to men in God's eyes - however this is now classed as a dated idea, likewise Jesus stated that divorce always led to adultery unless the break up was due to infidelity. In the same vein it wasn't that long ago that people campaigned for slavery to be allowed as they believed that certain passages of the Bible condoned this. There are only five possible references to homosexuality in the Bible and they are far outweighed by references to women, slavery or divorce; but the majority of Christians would ignore these or argue against them. So why amend the scriptures on some subjects and yet not on others that take up less Biblical space?
It is on the concept of slavery that this can most clearly shown, Genesis 9 shows how passages can be easily misinterpreted and read incorrectly, in this case condoning slavery. The story of Noah getting drunk, his son Ham seeing his nakedness and telling the brothers, the youngest son covers his father. When Noah awakes he curses Ham and told him he was to be a slave to his brother. Up until the 1950s this was seen to mean that black people were condemned to be slaves by God as they were the sons of Ham. To the largest majority of us this makes no sense and is highly unethical, but this is the way it was interpreted and used to spread 'the word of God.'
I believe the same is being done with the references supposedly referring to homosexuality. One such reference is 2 Sam 10, 1-5 where King David sends messengers to Hanan in an attempt to create good will. Hanan however is convinced that the messengers are really spies so he hands them over to the guards were they have half their beards shaved off making them half men and dangerously close to women, as well as the garments are cut off from their buttocks leading to the suggestion of penetration. When they return however, King David does not make the assumption they are homosexual and execute them, he just tells them to stay put until their beards grow back, knowing this is a form of humiliation. This is not talking about sexual morality but about humiliation, much like the world we live in today; a world of violence, power, and domination.
The way we look at certain things has changed through the use of medical science; for instance depression used to be seen as living under the burden of unconfessed sin and only once you had confessed could you recover. Ever since medicine found that some depression is due to a chemical imbalance this has changed. It has also been accepted that people who are left handed are not morally depraved so children have stopped being punished in class for not using their left hands.
Likewise homosexuality viewed from a medical perspective has changed - Freud stated that homosexuality is to no advantage, but equally it is nothing to be ashamed of. It is no vice, simply a variant of sexual behaviour, and is definitely no crime. Studies have been carried out on identical twins showing that although genetics are not the only reason for homosexuality they definitely play some part which suggests that there is a mixture of nature and nurture leading to homosexuality.
Why are we willing to accept and allow medical sciene to frame our moral viewpoints on some aspects of our moral teachings where we agree with science but not on others? And if it is a biological issue then what God would create someone homosexual and then persecute them for it?
Another point I'd like the make is the church's relationship with the general public, the church appears to be afraid to speak out on certain matters because it fears losing general public opinion, it feels that speaking favourably on same sex relationships would isolate some members. However is the church the tail and public opinion the dog that wags it? Hasn't the church already alienated many by not speaking out and not just gays, but equally their friends and family? Does the church only speak out on non-controversial matters meaning that it cares nothing for justice? Are they worried more about public opinion than about fairness? These are questions that any Christian should seriously think about.
The protestant church has already allowed a divide between the procreative and the unitive aspects of sexual relations by allowing contraception, and once you have done that the only barrier to complete acceptance of gay couples is prejudice. The Catholic church is the only Christian doctrine that can really reject homosexuals, and if that is done due to misinterpretation then there needs to be a rethink about the rules surrounding homosexuality and the church.
To conclude my main argument, the golden rule that Jesus gave us all is to love one another. He gave this commandment to try to avoid a schism in the church as he knew that the day would come when we would all hate each other. But Jesus' hallmark was always diversity and we are to love one another regardless and even because of that diversity. We were all made in God's image and that has to be wholesome, we are made to be loved and to belong in a loving relationship and God should be in any relationship made of love.
Going by what I believe, I can see no problem with homosexual marriage. You have two loving adults in a respectable relationship, both know what they want and them getting married will in no way negatively influence the rest of society in a negative way, but it might make them feel better about themselves and be recognised as a couple. The general saying of; if it doesn't influence you stop moaning. People get so het yp and annoyed by the subject; stop, sit down and think about it. What business do we even have interfering in people's love life when it isn't hurting us? I think people need a scapegoat for their moaning and whining, and unfortunately homosexuals have borne the brunt of this for a long time. It's time to pause and see their needs instead of making them out to be villains. Marriage is something that will make a relationship sacred, so why not offer it to homosexuals? I see no reason not to.
The bulk of this review is also on Ciao.
Firstly, marriage in this country is the union of one MAN
and one WOMAN, voluntarily entered into for life, to the exclusion of all others.
Gay people therefore, CANNOT be MARRIED.
They CAN however, become CIVIL PARTNERS.Even though the MEDIA
may choose to CALL it marriage to sell newspapers.
This Civil Partnership arrangement gives them certain equalities with married people. Along with this, comes
certain RESPONSIBILITIES that are also placed upon married
For example, having to declare their civil partner's income,
savings,investments etc when applying for state benefit.
Certain benefits can STILL be applied for without having to declare this because the government has dragged its feet on changing the wording on certain application forms.
They can DESCRIBE themselves as married, but they are not
Secondly, they should not be allowed to adopt or bring children into the world artificially. The physical aspect of the way gay people live is contrary to nature.I even know gay people who have co-habited for years who agree with this particular point.
The fact is, that if EVERYONE became gay TOMORROW, the human race would be extinct within 100 years or so. For this reason its contrary to nature and a child should not be brought up to believe that such is natural. (I am trying very hard not to use the word 'normal')
So let them have their 'ceremony', their party afterwards, let them have a happy, long and prosperous life together but the needs of children come first. Its the responsibility of ALL of us to make sure that children receive a balanced view of the world. This can not be achieved in a same sex environment. This, of course, is only my PERSONAL opinion.
Personally I cannot see what all the problem is with gay people having the right to marry, surely giving all people the right to marry means that those people who are in a committed long term relationship can have a way to express that commitment to each other.
By also allowing people to marry it means that they can ensure that their loved one has the same rights as both partners in a hetro-sexual marriage, particularly when it comes to protection in the eyes of the law from an inheritance view point.
By recognising peoples rights to marriage it ensures that from a legal stand point the relationsip is recognised, whilst on the down side this could mean that solicitors will end up making even more money than they already do when inevitably some relationships fail however if people have the benefit of marriage then as a matter of course they also get the right to a divorce.
I know that some people have objections from a religous viewpoint however from my experience the bible can be used to support many different views if you look hard enough and throughout history the church has had to adapt and change as society and culture has changed and in the case of same sex marriage this is just another instance where a change in attitude is required. It is just a shame that it will lead to some divisions in the church over the issue.
Personally i am completly against gay marriage. Marriage is by context a religious based thing and the vast majority of religions are against 'gayism' as a principle in the first place.
Thus to enable people who religion , not quite hate but disagree with, to enter into holy matromony - be it through the civil service version.
I cant see why gay people couldn't make up there own religion and get it done through that, after all there are so many religions what difference is one more going to make?
however i do believe people have the right to be happy, but not if it involves taking the michael out of an institue they are using to be legally recognised, however this is just my opinion so feel free to disagree