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johnnycarrotheid

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Immigration and asylum

Date: 25/08/06 (231 review reads)
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There we have it, a foolproof immigration strategy.
Honestly who is going to complain with that one?

OK, OK i kinda borrowed it from Ali G lol

Heres the serious review then...


Being Scottish, we have a starkly different view to immigration to our southern neighbours. With a rapidly ageing population, and all the young folk leaving so that they get more than a week of semi-sunshine per year, our population has been dwindling as we all leave the country or die off.
This leaves us with a smaller workforce year on year, trying to support a growing proportion who cant work.
If we had our Oil, it wouldnt be a problem, but we're generous so we keep subsidising you English scrounging lot ;)
With a diminishing workforce, we simply dont have enough workers, and in fact many schemes were set up when the borders opened to ENCOURAGE immigration from the new Eastern European states. We attracted Bus Drivers to Dentists, and they all become an essential part of our communities.
Now i know a lot of you think that Scotland is heavily subsidised, and our economy isnt exactly great. These are really just myths that always crop up when i talk to English folk. The Scottish economy is actually slightly better than the UK average, beating all 3 of the other nations, albeit not by much. The only problem facing Scotland is the labour shortage.

There are a couple major reasons for our own labour shortage and large public spending in relation to population size.
I'm not picking on old folk, but Pensioners in Scotland do have more benefits than English ones. A major one is Free Personal Care. This involves workers going to old folks who live in their homes still, and providing basic care. My grandads got Home Care, and she basically makes his dinner, tidies up, and maybe they go out for a bit, trips out etc.
Good idea, but very costly.
This obviously needs paid for somehow, and with a small workforce it can be hard.
Another, perhaps the main reason, is Students.
50% of Scots will go to College / University.
Now, if they go to University and get degree's, who is left for the menial jobs? Especially since the rise of University education has also been while Trade's have been killed off.
Myself going through high school, was NEVER told or informed about gettign a trade. High schools see it as a mark of how good they are by how many of their pupils go to University. This is utter crap, since Degree's are worth less than toilet paper nowadays, and i wish i had got a trade and left school at 16, as i know i would have my own house and earning a pile of cash instead of up to my eyeballs in student debt etc.
We therefore have a trade skills shortage, and too many people go to University and are unwilling to take on the low paid jobs. (even if they could, with the debt they would have it would be better off on jobseekers, further adding to the burden)



Immigration into Scotland by these migrant workers seems a perfect solution.
We can fill the gaps with trained/experience trades-people, or even workers willing to take the lower paid jobs, which help the Scottish economy thrive and possibly get even better than it is currently.
We still have space available, and Scots companies have plenty need of workers since no Scots seem to want to stay here.

In the last 2 years 53,000 people left, and 76,200 arrived, giving a net gain of only 23,200.
Theres so many people leaving that it balances out, and we might even halt the decreasing population we have had for years.
Remember thats the amount coming in. Births are always low, and we probably lose that amount of pensioners a year.
If we keep the population level, we are doing good.

The worries about them mooching off the Benefits system is also rubbish.
Of the 32,135 workers who have settled here only 344 have claimed benefits of any kind. Thats like roughly 1% of those that come here, need a bit of help. Thats got to be better than if we did a survey of the same amount of Scots.

Yes there are worries about too many immigrants coming over. The main worry is housing and public services. These were hopelessly inadequate before the immigrants arrived, so it cant be blamed on them, but it is something which needs sorted soon if we are expecting more people to come to the country.
This should get sorted, and hopefully some new housing will start popping up since the government here seem hopefull of being able to attract many more. Housing needs seriously sorted anyway, since the shortage has made prices absolutely stupid. Immigrants wont come over if they have to continue to pay as much as or perhaps more than the current average rent.


Immigration isnt a bad thing in Scotland, and is in fact a benefit to our economy and often our communities. Our new immigrants are happy and eager to integrate, and Scots are generally welcoming to everyone (ok maybe not English folk sometimes lol)
The only problem i see in the horizon is if the Government and local authorities sit on their ass and dont get the public services and housing up to scratch. If people cant get decent housing or a dentist/doctor appointment within the usual week it takes (lol) then things will go a bit pear shaped.

Basically

Immigration is good within context of the entire Scottish situation. Looking at it outwith the frame of the economic or social implications does it a great dis-service.
Government might screw it all up though

Summary: Good for Scotland, don't know about the rest of you

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johnnycarrotheid

- 08/02/07

thats more a lack of diversity. we do have more people going through University than the rest, its just course sizes are all to hell.

It works both ways, we have stupid amounts of people doing biology/medical courses.
You cant get a job here when you leave, yet an English friend at uni here, could go home, get a summer job/job and basically do what most people up here fight each other for.

Adjust course sizes in order of societies needs and we would have less problems with unemployed graduates.
ma_siddiqui

- 20/01/07

Well, I may be wrong but I am interacting with several IT companies in Scotland and every company i seem to know have lack of software programmers/skills. Although they seem to have loads of 'general' managers. I am saying things only because I saw a common problem across companies in Scotland.

Due to this shortage i have seen that several of my friends/people have moved from England to Scotland as they can get paid better due to shortage of these skills in Scotland. There may be loads of educated people in Scotland but not skilled enough.
johnnycarrotheid

- 15/01/07

Scotland has a lack of educated people?
Are you high?

Scotland has the higest rate for University and college in the UK for starters. Its hard as hell finding a job now, because EVERYONE has a degree. Scrapping tuition fees just meant everyone could go to Uni, and get a degree, then.... oh crap we all have them. You'l need a degree for McDonalds next.

Does mean people dont want to do the crappy jobs, i mean why go to University and end up being a cleaner?

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