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PR vs 'first past the post'
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PR vs 'first past the post'
Advantages: A democratic say
Disadvantages: Extremist get in
Proportional representation (PR), sometimes referred to as full representation, is a category of electoral formula aimed at a close match between the percentage of votes that groups of candidates (grouped by a certain measure) obtain in elections and the percentage of seats they receive (usually in legislative assemblies). PR is a democratic principle rather than an electoral system in itself.
An MP once said that spending just five minutes with a constituent is reason enough not to have a democracy. An MP also ordered a sun bed on his expenses from those very same voters' taxes. We would be hypocrites if we said we wouldn't have done the same thing if it was legal and then moaned at others for doing it. But the system is clearly broke and even the Iranians are mocking our political corruption as the world shakes its head a us. But if we change the voting system to something like proportional representation to get rid of career criminals then would it make any difference? Well as we saw in the European elections as the old guard were swept away and the new parties rose up the answer is an indefectible yes.
The vulgar ethnic cleansing in Belfast that saw some 'organised' local morons forcing some Romanian gypsies from their homes in a rough area of the city is the start of why proportional representation is so volatile. The 'community' said the Romanians 'were committing crime and taking our jobs', although they couldn't work out which it was. It now appears neither parties had jobs and probably had no real intention of getting jobs. The same yobs didn't attack the Polish community in the same estate at the same time. No, this was about the underclass of the world rubbing up close to hold their place in the pecking order and why that PR vote is going to boom for the right wing parties. The PR vote means you can vote for fringe parties that you actually believe in and the parties actually believe in their policies and that can be a very dangerous mix and bad news for the established parties as we saw in those recent Euro elections. Morons can vote for parties run by morons.
Extremist parties like the BNP and the Greens (well, they have some nutty ideas) picked up huge votes through PR because they were allowed to have a voice, as did their followers who were offered one, as did the joke parties like the local fellow trying to save his market square or hospital in the Midlands to the students in Sweden who were protesting about file sharing being illegal on the internet, bizarrely picking up two European seats for the 'Pirate Party', demonstrating the quirky fun of PR. Under the rules the Swedish students got ten percent of the vote and so got those two seats. Under first past the post system they would be nowhere and the Swedes would have taken that vote more seriously. PR allows for the vote to be spread across many parties and groups with similar policies and so throws up freak results like this. But what it is, of course, is a pure democracy and so means pretty much anyone can run for office on any politics with no big deposit needed and so you get pure results. I like the sound of that and so should you.
Europeans have been voting less and less in the European elections since their conception in the late 1970s and so the protest right wing vote has swept the board this time because they came out to vote as liberal polices fail. In Hungary a seriously nasty right wing party came second and even in supposed liberal Holland the anti Muslim coalition also finished runner up. Their vote was simple-immigrants are here to take our jobs or take benefits, nothing in-between. How is that good for the country in recession asked the politicians...Holland has bared the brunt of the recent Muslim tide of immigration and the small country acts as a stopper for the massive tide trying to get to Britain and onto our plentiful black market for employment and, if statistics are correct, the safety net of our world famous benefit system. 51% of Muslims in the U.K are currently classed as 'economically inactive' and that number is inevitably rising. In Holland it's far worse and so they reacted through the democracy of the European parliament they were being offered and voted on immigration. PR allowed them to do that. In France, Le Penn's right wing party took a huge chunk of the vote in the 1990s because of stats like 40% Muslim unemployment and 70% of the prison population being Muslim. LePenn said he couldn't see how Muslim unemployment and crime would fall because the intrinsic reasons for it in France wont change - be it that racism from the whites or apathy from the predominately North African communities responsible for the damaging stats. The French right feared what Holland fears now. It's noticeable that the right wing resurgence has moved across Europe from East to West with that Muslim immigrant serge, ironically a huge and predominately right wing Eastern European immigrant wave was just behind them. Do all sign posts lead to Great Britain we wonder?
What the proportional representation vote did do is hand Europe over to the centre-right parties for the next decade or two, parties ironically apposed to the European Union. The reptilian instinct during recession is for the people to turn on those who are different from them and so see as a threat, whether they are or not. The Islamification of Europe is nothing new and that's what the Crusades were all about a thousand years ago. But when you see that 25% of migrants babies born in the U.K in the last year were from foreign mothers and around 15% had both parents foreign you can see why people get nervous. British women's fertility rates, on the other hand, are collapsing. The only increase in British women pregnancy rates was over 40 mums, the women that put off babies for work and career, perhaps the ones raising taxes to pay for those more fertile foreign moms. Muslim families are by far the most productive at around 4.7 kids per unit but the most likely to be unemployed and in-need of social housing. Is that really what opening the borders was about? The people of old Europe say NoN!
Immigration affects every aspect of our lives, good and bad, even the recent global warming hype and increased flood threat is really about the need to build more houses on concrete near to rivers to house people than down to extreme weather. But immigration, inevitably, has the most negative effects on fellow immigrants and the white working class they are squashed in with and its 'they' who have seized PR to make that point.
In the local and general elections it's still first past the post in the U.K. although there is an all-party group looking at changing that. But the fact the BNP got one million votes and UKIP got three times that in the European poll suggests Brown can't be keen. The BNP now get three million quid for their two Euro MPs and they will use that money to employ professional people and spin doctors who will soften the message and win lots mote votes next year in the domestic polls. For me UKIP are the middle-class BNP vote and if you combine the votes they polled it was far more than labour. Bung in the Tory vote and the country is clearly right wing like the rest of Europe now, reflecting the conversations we all have at work and in the pub on things like immigration and crime, the two inexorably linked, something the government frustrating refuse to address to no ones advantage.
Summary: PR is here to stay