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I'll leave preteen models for a moment. 1. I want to throw out the idea that the UK government opposes Moslem terrorists. UK Cabinet papers show that British spy agency MI6 supported Islamic guerrillas in an effort to undermine Indonesia's president Sukarno. The destabilisation by the British led to General Suharto's takeover and dictatorship. Suharto's forces murdered up to 1 million opponents, including trade-unionists and democrats. The CIA provided lists of people to be disposed of. Suharto later invaded East Timor where 1/3 of the population died. The cabinet documents were uncovered by David Easter, a historian at the LSE. His research, published in the journal Intelligence and National Security, shows that the cabinet's defence and overseas policy committee asked MI6 to plan covert operations against Indonesia in January 1964. According to Dr Easter, these operations included supplying arms to Moslem 'terrorists' in the Indonesian provinces of Aceh and Sulawesi. http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=20187 2. I want to throw out the idea that the CIA can be trusted. "During its war against International Communism, the CIA disseminated a large number of fabricated documents purporting to come from Moscow. "Similarly, it has been disseminating a large number of fabricated documents purporting to be from the Al Qaeda. A typical example is the so-called training manual of the Al Qaeda. "The CIA has been fabricating documents, planting them in different places in Afghanistan and letting them be discovered by journalists in order to give them an air of seeming credibility. "The Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) has similarly been using ostensibly independent think tanks allegedly funded by it and the "academics" working for them for carrying on a disinformation campaign about the Al Qaeda."
r> That was written by B. Raman, formerly of the Indian Cabinet Secretariat. http://www.saag.org/papers5/paper431.html We now know that the document about making nuclear weapons that the BBC's John Simpson found in Afghanistan was a fake. It turned out to be a copy of a joke article from a magazine. 3. I want to throw out the idea that the USA opposes Moslem terrorists and extremists. (Here I make great use of the work of Lal Khan). The CIA set up Operation Cyclone to promote Islamic extremism. The Moslems invented algebra. They once ruled Spain. They created great architecture such as the Taj Mahal. But, in the late 15th century the Moslem world went into decline. In parts of Europe, Christian fundamentalism and feudalism were weakened and new ideas were able to develop. Europe had its industrial revolution and spread its culture to its colonies. Moslem countries such as Iraq, Iran, and Indonesia came to be controlled by westerners. It suited the West that Moslem countries were often 'feudal and backward'. In the late 20th Century, the USA opposed left wing and democratic movements in Moslem countries. In Iran, Mossadeq was toppled with the help of the CIA and a dictatorship was put in place. In Egypt, moves were made to undermine Nasser, in the hope that a more feudal leadership would take over. In Indonesia, the CIA helped undermine Sukarno so that he could be replaced by the military dictator Suharto. In Pakistan the CIA backed the military and Islamic hardliners. In Iraq, the USA armed the dictator, Saddam. In Saudi Arabia, the USA backed the corrupt feudal leaders and their fundamentalist supporters. In Afghanistan President Carter helped the fundamentalists to rise to power, as a way of luring in the Russians. When elections were cancelled in Algeria, and the military took over
, the USA turned a blind eye. The Algerian military then reportedly began its dirty tricks - dressing up soldiers to look like Moslem extremists, and murdering its opponents. In Indonesia, Suharto's generals were faced with the problem that the majority of the population were moderate Moslems who wanted democracy. The generals hit at the moderate Moslems and encouraged the extremists. The generals set up 'Moslem' militias, such as Laskar Jihad, to fight their battles. Suharto's generals were trained in the USA. During the 1971 civil war in East Pakistan/ Bangladesh, the Pakistan army used Moslem extremists to attack moderates and democrats. In Afghanistan, the CIA, while backing the fundamentalists, helped to develop the heroin trade. (According to some analysts, it has become a policy of the CIA to use drugs and other forms of crime to finance its right-wing operations. In Vietnam, the anti-communist guerrillas were supported in their illegal drugs trade. In Nicaragua during the 1970s the Contras were encouraged to smuggle cannabis and marijuana in order to purchase weapons for their operations against the Sandinista regime. Today 70% of the world supply of heroin comes from the Afghanistan-Pakistan area. The laboratories on the Pak-Afghan border were allegedly installed with CIA help.) After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the Pentagon needed a new enemy. The military-industrial complex needed wars. The politicians needed scapegoats when times got hard. The enemy would not necessarily be the Islamic fundamentalists in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, but Moslems elsewhere. Osama bin laden was built up as the bad guy. The US firing of 70 cruise missiles at Osama's base camp on the Pak-Afghan frontier was more of a propaganda exercise than a serious military operation. In the Middle East the Islamic fundamentalist organisations like the Hizbullah, Hamas and others were alleg
edly set up by the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad in the 1960s and '70s . They were created to destabilise the PLO who were non-fundamentalist. Who recruits terrorists? On 7 12 02, Reuters & Ha'aretz reported that the Palestinian Authority had accused Mossad of creating a phony al-Qaeda cell in the Gaza Strip. Ha'aretz reported, "the head of Palestinian Preventive Security" in the Gaza Strip, Col. Rashid Abu Shbak, said on Dec. 6, "that his forces had identified a number of Palestinian collaborators who had been ordered by Israeli security agencies to 'work in the Gaza Strip under the name of al-Qaeda.' In 1996 the USA and Pakistan's secret service (ISI) brought the Taliban to power in Afghanistan. The money for this operation was allegedly supplied by US oil company Unocal. It was hoped the Taliban would allow an oil pipeline through Afghanistan. The French and Germans also deal with fundamentalists, such as the mullahs in Iran, to promote the interests of their multinational corporations. So many Moslem countries, from Morocco to Indonesia, suffer from unemployment, poverty and corruption under military dictatorships. These military dictators, so often supported by the US, use 'militant Islam' as a device to keep them in power. Some of the poor turn to fundamentalist Islamic parties in desperation. This weakens the moderate Moslem parties. Many of the elite in certain Moslem countries turn out to be drug barons and arms dealers. The crooked elite may allegedly use the "fatwas" of the mullahs to justify and protect their crimes. The main source of money for Islamic fundamentalism 'may turn out to be the trade in drugs and arms'. In 1979 there were hardly any heroin addicts in Pakistan. In 1986 the official figure was 650,000. In 1999 the official figure was 5 million. In Pakistan the military dictator and friend of th
e USA, general Zia-ul-Haq, was faced by democrats wanting an end to corruption and inequality. Zia used fundamentalism to weaken his opponents. In 1971, there were 900 Madrassas (Moslem schools) in Pakistan. By the end of Zia's rule there were 8,000 registered and 25,000 non-registered Madrassas. As the state-run school system steadily collapsed, these Madrassas became the only way for the children of poor families to get an education. Madrassas also spread in Indonesia, thanks to Dictator Suharto. Islamic fundamentalism is not actually very popular in Iran or anywhere else. In Pakistan during various elections all the fundamentalist parties put together never get more than 5% of the popular vote. In Indonesia the figure was 3%. The Moslem fundamentalists are weak and divided. Shias cannot tolerate the Sunnis, the Deobandies cannot tolerate the Wahabis, and so on. What poor Moslems really need is a society which is sufficiently educated, flexible, and democratic, so that they can avoid being treated as slaves by military dictators or by American multinationals. There would be little or no fundamentalism in countries like Morocco or Indonesia, if education was improved and wealth was spread more evenly. 3. I want to throw out the idea that Bush is a 'good Christian'. The Bush family have had business connections with the bin Ladens and ties to the boss of Enron. 4. Preteen models? Most of the worst web sites come from Bush's seedy USA. I would like to throw out 'American culture'. http://community.webshots.com/user/aangirfan gives an insight into Moslem culture.
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- 03/03/03 Bush is a moron. good op. |
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- 03/03/03 The USA is not solely against Islam they are against anyone who opposes their veiw of the world whtehr they be communists such as Fidel Castro's Cuba or other ideologies.
I agree that Isalm has over history been one of the richest cultures in both Science and Art and cettainly the Euorpean renaissance probably wouldn't have been possible without the Islamic scholars in Moorish Spain. However lets not let a hatred for the US blind us from the fact that many countries have used/abused Islam in order to supress it's own people and line the pockets of their corrupt leaders whilst preaching religoius piety. These regimes are just as evil as anything to come out of the US and just as hypocritical.
I fear at the moment a lot of these considerations are being sidelined by many good muslims purely through a resentment for the US. |
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- 02/03/03 but whom in particular would you have put into room 101 then?
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