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I too parted with £3000 for a course with the Tolworth company. They treat you very well and the promise of a job at the end of the day is very tempting, I went for the Network admin course as at the time i had a great interest in computing and networking, they make you feel your one of the lucky ones, assessing some and rejecting others, as im guessing if they accepted all they would be open to accusations of preying on the financially vulnerable on a conveyor belt level. The course i would say in my personal opinion is NOT worth the money and at the time had extra costs i.e £x amount for exams and more to retake exams and after being given an A+ book and told to revise the whole lot and then after some clases come back when your "ready" for the exam, they will also give you an "example" of someone who passed, this will be someone out of say 200 (i'm guessing) who passed who they can find a job for easily. Did i think it was a great experience........no.........value for money.............definatley no....did i feel i made a great mistake on getting a loan for £3000 ....yes and i personally take it on the chin as a bad mistake that i made. My advice is buy books and read up before hand and promises of fast track vocations are met with pit falls.
Hello, I'm collecting information and people together to take UK IT Training to court of several breaches of contract and several misleading advertisements. I will be putting in most of the effort of fact finding etc and i have a strong case on my own anyway so dont worry about there being alot of hassle i just need details of yoru experience and then I can progress things from there.If you have had dealing with UK IT Training please contact me va email at manicd at hotmail.com or check for updates here http://ukittrainingltd.blogspot.com/ Enough information and enough evidence and we could all win on this.Ash
I have had the same experience, where UK IT training make you feel very lucky to have been chosen and are very eager to have your money asap. And hiding the fact that i have to pay more to get the Job Guarantee, and they dont even give you time to read the terms and conditions before parting with your money. I lost £2550 with the CIW course. During the interview i was told that for this amount of money i would be guaranteed a job after completion, they wrote on the brochure this price, in a way that you would think your paying for the course in full. I met another person in my class who was lied to, too. Its been a long time now, and tried to claim my money back via Credit card, they said i broke the term, does any one know what else can do.
I passed the 70-310 exam 25 January and made myself available for the SQL SERVER 2005 module starting 28 January, only to be told that the course was fully booked. Next SQL module was scheduled for 28 March and guess what my contracted time run out 14 March.
At the moment it's just been one letter after another to Brian Wall contracts manager at UKIT Training. On the one hand he states that the company is contractually obliged to ensure that sufficient classroom space is made available to students and then states that he needs more money from me. He says that UKIT would be out of pocket if they allowed me to enroll onto the SQL SERVER 2005 module 28 March to complete my MCAD training. Not sure what he means since I've already handed over £5400.00.
My place was obviously given to someone else who presumably also paid the same amount of money. So a quick maths calculations shows that UKIT Training Limited have been paid twice!
Regarding job placement, it's true that UKIT Careers did place me within the industry and found me a job with with Channel 7 Media and I started employment 17 March on £20,000 per annum. I was sacked 15 April and some 4 months later still haven't been paid! I was supposed to be getting some £400.00 per week and to date only received £1000.00 with no pay slip or P45!
With regard to Channel 7 Media, I'm now involved with the Employment Tribunal and ACAS to recover my pay and the hearing is set for 28 July.
With regard to UKIT Training Limited I'm now considering seeking legal advise and would recommend that everyone stay clear of any outfit that boasts a fast track career change!!
I have a similar experience. I paid 2500 pounds for the first half and was asked to pay another 2500 ASAP. thankkfully, I gathered I lost my money to cheaters before I paid for the next half. Please, please , please no one do this. Please learn from my experience.Believe no one whoo says they can gaurantee as hitech IT job by talking to you for few min. They acted as if I was one of the smartest woman they ever met. Did a nonsense interview, useles test and said I was selected. I started off with many more who felt cheated. All of us put our hard earned, loan money into the drain for these cheaters.once, I got into the trap, I went and told some waiting in the recepetion not to take the course and waste their money like me. The UKIT people need t obe sued sure. Beware!!!
I'm not going to write the whole review on here, I have already started writing and will continue to update on the other sitehere is the links to the first reviews and if you check the user profile you'll find more updatesPart 1: http://www.certforums.co.uk/forums/thread18792.htmlPart 2: http://www.certforums.co.uk/forums/thread18793.htmlPart 3: http://www.certforums.co.uk/forums/thread20079.htmlPart 4: http://www.certforums.co.uk/forums/thread21490.html Part 5: http://www.certforums.co.uk/forums/thread21599.htmlP.S. Sign up if yoru studing they are great at giving advice on there!!!ManicD
My case is the same as others, they make u feel special after your interview and lucky to have this opportunity to learn. Then as soon as they have your money, they couldn't care less about you.
I haven't even recieved my ecdl certificate from them and after an outlay of 3 grand have come away with nothing to show for it apart from a bank loan !
Avoid at all costs, would like to hear if anyone ever got a refund from these nasty creatures.....
Wow, where do I start. I'm gonna try and keep this as short as possible.
Initially, I called up UK IT training with the most excited attitude about earning myself a qualification in web design. It's my ambition and have always wanted to become qualified.
I called, up and the director of recruitment eargerly wanted to have an interview with me, despite the fact that I had no qualifications in ICT. The next day, im on the train heading down to tolworth tower, UK It Trainings base.
The interview was as easy as pie and a few hours later, I got a call saying I had been selected.
Turns out it'll cost me £5550 to become qualified. Being the excited chap I was, I paid up thinking I was going to have a very succesful future.
Oh, lord was I wrong.
They expect you to learn something that is supposed to take 16 weeks in the space of 5 days, three times over. Wtf.
Either way, I managed to complete their CIW course with 11.5 months. My one year contract came to an end and it turns out, they want £250 FOR EVERY MONTH YOU NEED EXTRA! Outraged, I thought ,hell with this, i've been ripped off enough.
While the qualifications they offer are genuine, UK IT training have made it near impossible to actually ever complete the course without spending 24/7 for an entire year.
Honestly this company is a total scam. They offer no help, their staff as about as useful as a rat and they've made sure their promises don't have to be kept.
Stay well away.
do not trust ukittraining. as soon as u start asking them how much its going to cost they start getting abusive and pushy. their method is to make u feel special by making you think u have passed tests and they only select a verry small number of people. they are CON MEN wose than car sales men.
try phoning in pretending to be a dustbin man but keen to get in to it and phone in again saying u got a degree and experience. bet they let u in both times.
I took the Halifax Credit card company/UKIT to the Small Claims court-AND WON! Got all my money back. I paid by credit card.
frens - beware of UK IT..we joined UKIT based on no previous IT experience and we are stuck going nowhere..It's costing us around 7000 pounds to finish web designer track and have problems one after another...please dont get into the traps of companies like UK IT who promise a lot and deliver nothing...they will suck you to the last drop of your blood and you will get nothing at the end..
my experience at UKIT..
1) very excited when I first got to know that I was selected..I was told that I passed my interview
2) paid 5000 pounds for webdesigner track
3) finished my CIW..great naaa..but guess what..it took 9 months...
4) god only knows when I can finish the rest and get eligible for the job guarantee
problems i have,
1) they won't conduct classes regularly and you will have to wait for minimum 6 weeks to start another session after finishing exam.
2) no help watsoever
3) they just provide the study notes (any damn goose can get those materials from the internet)
4) no practical experience provided
5) god only knows wat the heck they are gonna help in finding jobs
6) and finally guess what..I don't know anyone who has got a job from UKIT in the last 9 months
7) I still see people flocking in UKIT waiting room willing to join
8) the fee is very expensive and worth very less for me
so frens..please beware of cheaters and bluff masters like UKIT..their sales people are real a***.
if you are a person with no previous IT experience and looking for an IT career, then this is not the right place...this place is right only if you have spare money won from a lottery jackpot and don't know what to do with that money..
once you join the course and pay the money, you don't even get proper responses...the admin staff are real shit..they hardly work and pick up the phones...only the initial joining phone line will be very active to take your call..
also you can learn everything at home or from web and write exams independently...I learnt nothing from the classes...
also they cheated us saying that I am eligble for job placement after I finish my Master CIW designer..and now they are saying I have to finish the complete track to get eligible for the job placment..which is gonna take another year...
they don't even help the students of how to prepare for the job and the skills we have to achieve...
well I blame myself for the blunder I made and I just want to make people to be aware and not get into the hands of these cheaters.....
hope this helps...and I wish everyone pass on this info to your frens and relatives
Ok I know the advert you are talking about, I think its the same place as I ve been to. Let me break it down, I went for the interview after a telephone interview. The way I saw it was that I was being assessed for a guaranteed job in the IT industry once I have qualified. Towards the end of my face to face interview I was told the first half of my training would cost £2550 to become a qualified web designer. I questioned if I could do the whole lot they said it would be £5400 to do the professional courses and the final modules to complete the qualification would be free
dont worry I double checked that one. Oh and then I went to do a test but see I thought that was there to make sure I had the cogs in my head turning, I saw this as a safety measure to see if I had enough about me to do this training. This is the rub, a friend I know failed it so its a genuine test of aptitude. The system clearly works they train people and place them with one of the companies they are associated with, I guess having been around for many years they have a reputation about them that makes companies want to recruit from them. Theyve placed everyone thats qualified either as a network engineer or web expert. I think this is true as I bumped into a guy in the street who I had met while training who had nearly finished with his mate and both were in great jobs by UK IT training he said. They give you a guarantee of a job in writing or all your money back and they say they have never had to give anyone back there money.
I understand you must have spent time writing your story down, I worry that the time would have been better spent on job applications, it seems to me you are one of those people who goes around looking for negatives hence why your still unemployed now. Sorry mate that was uncalled for!!!!! You write well and personally I think you should start writing books.
As I see it and its in black and white in the training/job guarantees if they select you and you do the training you are guaranteed a job earning over £20k and I have met some who are earning this through this outfit. So I am happy and working through the course. Maybe you should think again.
On Friday, I was spreadeagled on the sofa, working my way through the local paper circling job advertisements. Amongst the hundreds of things Im overqualified for and the overwhelming number of advertisements for jobs Im underqualified for, one caught my eye. A professionally written advert stating that I could get not only IT training but a guaranteed job paying £20,000 a year or more.
I figured Id ring this ad because a) I needed a warm up phonecall before I rang something I really wanted, and b) those free minutes from O2 werent going to use themselves up. (Before anyone says I should have rung a friend, I have no money to go out until I get a job and everyone seems to compulsively arrange things while Im speaking to them. Expensive things!)
Rather than being a lighthearted and entertaining review, this is a warning. I searched for this particular company on Dooyoo before going along with the whole thing. I hope I save at least one other person the time, effort and make up by submitting this. Too many companies get away with too much. I appreciate that this is a little long, but I wont directly accuse this company of something I cant prove so Ive chosen to let the facts speak for themselves. Here is my experience with UK IT Training and the conclusions I drew, these are representative of my opinion and not intended to be accepted as fact.
The phone was answered quickly by [No longer allowed to mention this name], one of the Recruitment Directors. He took down my details and chatted in a friendly manner. We discussed my previous IT experience and employment. He seemed impressed with my qualifications so far and managed to make me feel more positive than I had done in a while about my job prospects. There was an implication that this was an initial telephone interview, which I was doing very well at. No opportunity for me to ask questions arose, rather I was almost swept away by his belief in UK IT Training as a company.
He explained that UK IT Training recruited for several hundred corporate employers, all of whom urgently required employees with Microsoft skills. These companies were so desperate that they would hand over money for training and then employ the well trained candidate who would enjoy a successful and well paid career. Companies, he claimed, like Microsoft themselves.
I asked if the training would cost me anything and whether the training was accredited, but there wasnt time for him to discuss it and it could all be covered at interview. I was given the impression that I had been screened for interview and passed with flying colours. He said he needed to interview me as soon as possible and as it was Wednesday we agreed to meet on Thursday afternoon. He even gave me his direct number in case there were any problems.
Its depressing to be out of work. More depressing still when the agencies in town tell you that there isnt much work about, the adverts that you respond to only tell you that the jobs have gone already and you dont even have the bus fare or the energy to look anymore. Im not trying to force vicarious pessimism on you about the state of the job market, hopefully Im making the point that the average person who rings an advert like this has exhausted several other avenues. Clinging to the ray of hope that this company offers is all too easy.
So, how does this phone call bear up to analysis? I can only speculate and that is now tainted with cynicism. To begin with he didnt stop to establish my interest before taking my details. A bit hasty perhaps for someone who only wants to select the finest trainees to put forward for the training programme. Why was he concerned that I sounded young? Maybe because I might not have savings or ready money. Even after looking at the company web site I wanted this to be genuine.
My dad pointed out that there was small print at the bottom of the advertisement which, in my excitement, Id neglected to notice. There seemed to be a fair few asterisks involved. My brother picked up the phone and rang the number. Despite his disinterest in IT, he got a similar response. Their main concern seemed to be to get his details rather than to establish whether he was interested in the pitch.
On Thursday morning I boarded the train. My interview was in Tolworth, Surrey, a long way from my home town where UITT were advertising in the local paper. The Recruitment Director [No longer allowed to mention this name] had done his utmost to reassure me that although the interview would be held in Surrey, the job found for me would most definitely be local. My interview was at 3pm, hed hesitated a little over the time and Id fondly imagined that perhaps it was because he was so busy and important. I even wondered if, like other potential employers they might reimburse my train fare.
I arrived at Tolworth tower 15 minutes early. The letter the company had sent over the weekend had a leaflet with clear directions and an assurance that a uniformed commissionaire will direct you to our training centre on arrival. It also stated that the interviewee should aim to be 10 minutes early. By now, Id had time to think it over and I was feeling a little less gullible but still positive. The letter didnt have the air of a circular, it was printed with my name and address and signed by The Recruitment Director [No longer allowed to mention this name] in biro. I bounced into reception clutching my CV and smiling.
From the moment I entered the building I felt I shouldnt have bothered. The sullen girl at reception ignored me in favour of a paperback until I said excuse me for the second time. She offered no directions at all to UITT, luckily Id bought my letter and I got into a lift for the fourth floor. I straightened my hair in the low light in the lift, all those thoughts that you have on the way to an interview turning to nagging self-doubt. I stepped out of the lift with a forced smile and through some double doors into a busy office. I held the door for one man and there was another hot on his heels, we were all clutching CVs and I began to realise the conveyor belt nature of this operation.
The first impression inside was of overcrowding, several cheaply clad girls in their late teens were leaning back on desks and chatting about their weekend while confused looking applicants stood nervously nearby. After being stood at the unattended reception desk (I preferred unattended to the dismally staffed one on the ground floor) for a couple of minutes, I caught the attention of one of the girls and told her I was here to see The Recruitment Director [No longer allowed to mention this name]. Im not a wallflower, but not especially loud either and the volume in the office was pretty intimidating. She told me to wait in the waiting area but seeing that it wouldnt be possible to jam another person into it, said there was a second one down the corridor. This was quiet, with an expensive looking coffee machine and I had a good ten minutes to collect my thoughts.
A friendly and pleasant seeming The Recruitment Director [No longer allowed to mention this name]. arrived to take me for my interview. He named a girl with him and, keen to make a good impression, I introduced myself with a smile. I misguidedly assumed she was a second interviewer as we walked into the interview room but he soon put me straight. He was running a bit late, so he thought hed interview the two of us together to save time. From the way the smile dropped from her face, Im guessing she thought the same.
The interview was easy. The Recruitment Director [No longer allowed to mention this name] seemed disinterested in his applicants and only asked us one question each. These were token questions, you could have said you hated computers and hed still have smiled and nodded encouragingly. He was friendly and personable, but theres something uneasy about answering questions and discussing your work history with another applicant sat right next to you.
The map on the wall showed all the employers that UITT work with and The Recruitment Director [No longer allowed to mention this name] proudly pointed to it. There were three coloured sticker dots on my home town and, latching on to this, I asked which companies these represented. He smoothly said that there were far too many companies, it would take him all day to name them. The crunch came when he said we would need to pay £100 per exam but that this would be straight to the exam board. Oh, and before wed started we needed to pay UITT £2555 up front (but that that would be nothing and we shouldnt lose any sleep over it).
The next step was the aptitude test. Id been brushing up on my HTML, Word Macros and Excel Charts, unsure what would come up. In the event, none of it. There were 10 questions. Ill give you an exact example.
Which one of these is the odd one out?
We had 10 minutes to complete this complex and important test it took me 42 seconds. After this I left. In the pub next door, I recounted the events of the past hour and used the calculator function on The Boyfriends phone.
There was to be £2555 initial payment, £100 per exam, £1800 in train fare to get to Tolworth to take the modules and loss of earnings during the 12-24 weeks training if I was selected I wouldnt see much change from £10,000.
When they say that they will get you a guaranteed job for £20,000 pa the truth is this
They will only try to find you a job if you complete every single section of the training course. So, you have to follow their structure and you cant pick and choose modules. If you skip anything, they wont help.
They will only try and get you a job for £20,000 ; in some cases it might be less. In the event of this happening, they will make up the difference for only 3 months.
They might not be able to find you a job in your local area. In that case theyll find you one anywhere and that will be their half of the deal completed.
Ive checked it out, the qualifications offered by this company are genuine and accredited and they may increase your job prospects. BUT When you recruit someone for this kind of job, you take a sizeable percentage of that salary in return for supplying them. So to this company you are a paycheck twice over, first when you pay for your training and second when they place you.
You need to ask yourself why, if these skills are so in demand, these large companies arent recruiting suitable applicants and paying for the necessary training. If UITT are carefully selecting people on behalf of these companies and with no regard for the training fees, why are the aptitude test and interview so easy?
Im sure some applicants do well out of it, but this company does even better. The Recruitment Director [No longer allowed to mention this name] said he was interviewing 85 people a day (doubtless this was intended to make us feel the competitive edge but it had the reverse effect and made me feel that they were little more than a factory). I think this company should only be considered if you have a few grand to spare and absolutely no other way of getting qualifications. Remember that, despite the hype, these are jobs in London and the Home Counties where £20k barely pays the bills. Also, if you spend this kind of money and the employer they find for you makes you redundant in 6 months, where will that leave you? Theres no such thing as a quick fix.
If you still think this might be for you, the first qualification they offer is the ECDL (European Computer Driving Licence) which they refer to as a foundation course. You can take the ECDL for free in most job centres and t.e.a. shops. This will give you a better idea of whether this is the right track for you and a head start if it is.
UPDATE: I since had a phone call from the company. It went something like this:
The Recruitment Director [No longer allowed to mention this name], hereafter refered to as TRD: (aggressively) Are you still interested in this, I need you to prove that you're right for it?
Me: That depends. Have I been... 'selected'...?
TRD: Well, you were, but places fill up very fast and you weren't in to answer my first call!....
Me: The thing is TRD, I've had the chance to think about this initial payment of £2,500...
TRD: (interrupting) Yes, fantastic value for money isn't it?
Me:...No. Not when you add on all the costs. I'm concerned that I wouldn't have the kind of money to fund this.
TRD: Fine. (Hangs Up)
In reality, it's a timeshare presentation in the middle of nowhere, followed by an attempt at the hard sell.