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      11.08.2015 12:10
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      Here is my review about betting on dooyoo...

      A lot of these TV documentaries about how the big friendly corporations run behind the scenes are biased towards the company and end up being an advert for them, why I never watch the commercial ones on ITV, like the one for Virgin Airlines running at the moment. Who doesn’t want to smack Branson? Why would a big company agree to let the cameras in if its warts and all? What really goes on behind the scenes to rip us off is pretty ugly stuff and what they don’t want us to see. This is the very nature of commercial TV, why we have the BBC for balance. I remember a light hearted documentary show on Channel 4 called Cutting Edge that had an episode called ‘The Complainers’, where every day people and serial complainers were followed moaning about everything, including this bloke who would visit his local Tesco’s complaining about prices being too high and deals being a con etc. The likeable Tesco store manager dealt with this prat rather admirably and made Tesco look good. A month later I am watching one of those very documentaries about Tesco and it turns out that amiable Tesco manager was, in fact, head of corporate PR at Tesco and the whole C4 thing was a put up job by a dodgy TV director and a company that wanted to look good for its customers at any cost. Now we know why, Tesco share price on the floor after all manner of collusion. So when the BBC listed one about Corals the bookies in the Radio Times I was reticent but would give them the benefit of the doubt as it was non commercial.

      There were three episodes, one centered on the high street shops, another on online betting and setting the odds and one on problem and professional gamblers. In the old days in your local town you could bet on the horses and a bit of football and that was it. Tony Blair had different ideas and determined to cash in on digital technology and allowed the bookies a free range on fleecing the British public with all manner of betting sites and machines. The controversial Fixed Betting Terminals caused most of the trouble and feature heavily in the show, which they would not have on ITV. These roulette style fruit machines bring in 51% of Corals gross profits. Blair had to change the rules on them as the betting companies were using them to the Treasuries detriment on the high street in the early naughties as the machines were designed to transmit the signal to a satellite and log the stake in Jersey and then payout back in the shop, so avoiding tax. Labor legalized them to get tax, not to protect the poor people who pour £2 billion a year into them. One-in-ten Jobseekers Allowance payments are believed to end up in them in some areas of Britain. Cynical is not the word. Gordon Brown had a conscious and restricted the shops to just four machines and so the betting companies opened even more shops in towns and cities to have four more machines. You can bet up to £100 per spin and hold up to £5000 in the machines at any one time. These are no high rollers, mostly unemployed, retired and ethnic minority players who have graduated from regular fairground fruits. In America they deregulated further and in the Las Vegas Job Center they had one there when I visited the city. That will be the next step in Britain..

      The main purpose of these machines is to bring in tax, put the jackboot on the neck of the poor and make bookies a hell of a lot of money. They are so blatantly bad for the country yet nothing is done. The type of gamblers that play them know they are machines designed to pay out 89p in every £1 put in but need that buzz of a win from the low of a loss. In Ipswich they council discovered 5000 regular players lost on average £1000 per year each. BetFred stores were discovered to have linked staffs wages on how much the machines bought in. If the managers pushed them then they got more bonus, even though the industry has decided to ‘self regulate’ the industry to help problem gamblers. Yes right! Any manager that stops problem players is likely to lose his or her job. That seemed to be the case on the BBC1 documentary as episode one kicked off in Huddersfield, where the avuncular Coral’s shop manager of one town center shop had to manage the other nearby shop as profits had tumbled there. We presume the previous manager was keeping problem gamblers off those FBT’s, plunging the profits. Tony Kendall seemed to be liked by both his staff and customers and sympathetic to their plight. Why he was never seen doing on the show was stopping the problem gamblers, even though his female number two was ‘aware of the problem’. She would give unemployed customers a free can of coke when they started whacking the machines in frustration but that was about it. You could see she was uncomfortable on camera saying that the staff tried to stop problem gambling on the terminals. They clearly didn’t. If customers were banned from the shop they simply walk to another one with a different company in the town center. These bookies are simply competing for that small handful of losers now, hardly glamorous. Coral’s certainly didn’t want to admit that.

      As rose tinted the series was the BBC program makers had done just about enough to subtlety show how cynical the industry is and who’s being fleeced. We meet unemployed Stuart, greasy haired and straight from central casting, unable to keep his dole money out of the machines. He agreed to go on the show so fair enough. We presume he is long term unemployed as gambling keeps him away from work. The people who use the FBT’s in Northampton are nearly all foreign and so a great way of taxing them if you ask me.

      Episode two was more about the online side as we meet the guys in the call center who receive telephones bets, and then meet the core team who set the odds, a dream job for gamblers and sports fans alike as this team are actually allowed to bet at work. The boss says it helps them get the odds right and so make him money. I could only hear klaxons screaming for fraud opportunities by the same staff. They were a happy lot and seemed to know what they were doing. The bookies never lose. A job at a dodgy bank awaits these guys if they chose to leave. We also so met some greyhound owners that seem to be dodgier than Arthur Daley and macho betting on their own dogs costing them money. We also had the one pound punter who kept landing 20-1 winners at the track while the cameras where there. Through simple observations trackside and the parade ring, like how big the horse’s feet were, he would make his bets. Spotting that a syndicate where not backing their own horse proved lucrative. Again, straight from central casting.

      The final show looked at the professional gamblers, who find value from the many online and high street bookies. One chap, Steve Palmer, writes a blog about his betting experiences in the Racing Post and bets big, mostly on golf and Darts. It appears to be his living and with a baby on the way needs some big wins, another plonker from central casting. Corals and the BBC wanted to give us loveable rogue gamblers throughout the series. We had another middle-class guy who appeared to be winning a fair bit online through niche bets like man of the match bets and stuff like the number of aces served in tennis matches. Steering clear of obvious bets he felt there was money to be had. He seemed to have a point. He was good enough to get the online sites blocking his account or limiting his odds from the quoted ones. There is a big industry in bookies not wanting to pay out.

      To encourage new accounts in this incredibly competitive industry Corals offered 5/1 for United to get a corner. 20,000 bets at that price were offered with a maxim £5 stake and punters took it to open new accounts. United got a corner and Corals handed over £400,000. Many of the winners used the money for future stakes and so the hit not that bad in the end. Unlike high street bookies where you collect your winnings many online punters re-bet their winnings and rarely cash in.

      Without the Fixed Betting Terminals there will come a day where bookies will close their high street shops and everything online. You can bet anytime anywhere these days and few restrictions to opening an account. A paypal link is enough now. As far as a TV show goes this was good fun and enough balance to entertain and you have two brain cells to rub together. It did everything visually it couldn’t do verbally to critic Coral and made them look friendly money grabbers not cynical money grabbers.








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      31.10.2001 20:22
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      Dear Matthew, I would like to take this opportunity to introduce myself as the Community Manager at dooyoo. Recently it has come to my attention that you have been copying from sources not your own. Your opinion titled 'Will this be the year of the other Reds?' has been copied from: 'http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/servlets/OpinionConnector?template=opinion_write& sessionID=baa5sU9IJ7wlUU&itemID=148467&sponsor=&adstr=148467&rchm=' and has since been deleted. As you know plagiarism is prohibited in the dooyoo 'Terms and Conditions' and upsets other dooyoo members. Since you have already owned other accounts on dooyoo and abused the site we have taken the decision to permanently remove your account. We are legally entitled to do this under the copyright, designs and patents act 1988. Dooyoo is a friendly site that exists to help people make better decisions and these kinds of activities are not in the honest spirit of dooyoo. Best regards Jo Starr Dooyoo Community Manager http://www.dooyoo.co.uk

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        15.08.2001 04:42
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        With the premiership nearly on us and the Nationwide underway, i thought i would check out dooyoo betting anti post odds and their site in general. I especially needed help with the USPGA golf championship that looks as wide open as ever. I have predicted the last two majors correctly on here the site through my reviews, I even got Red Marauder in The National at 33-1,but an assist is definitely needed. So I flicked up the page and was immediately hit by its basic set up. Now that is a good thing in betting circles, as they don’t try to bamboozle you with stats and numbers. I don’t think there are any non-race goers who can understand all those numbers by the horses in the paper on Aintree Saturday. Keep it simple is a definite must. Online betting quotes stuff like 2.24 and 10/7 on its sites related to do spread bets. On arrival at the dooyoo punters haven, i was hit by a William Hill pop up which I presume are running the website. Well the prices were remarkably similar to WH.The golf odds were predictable although im surprised that Tiger hasn’t drifted more. Its pretty clear to the punters that he’s not quite primed for another major win this season. The energies of the great one will be aimed at all four next year to add yet another record to his stunning collection. If you are going to back him with good money, wait until Augusta. He ain’t going to win this one in Atlanta. I backed Duval in a treble at The Master and each way at The Open.But for the PGA it traditionally throws up a first time major winner. He is 14-1 with dooyoo at the time of writing, so i might bung him in a yankie so I needed to more guys. Phil Mickleson with you guys was a sexy 20-1 and I feel he has every chance of claiming his first title here. Ernie Els was a disappointing 18-1 with his dodgy back along with equally mean odds for VJ Singh.But the second value here is Mike Weir at 80s.He is left handed lik
        e Mickleson and they very rarely win. Although one day soon. The Europeans are crap at this tournament and only Sergio Garcia is in the frame. At 25-1ew I will tip him to. But with Ryder Cup points still available you never know. But their soo hard to predict so ignore my tips please. Your footy odds are the same as all the big boys and theres no point risking my CC number on here when i have the safety of the high street shops. Internet companies don’t talk up major breaches that are far more regular than we know. Internet security is based on dissinfomation to keep the faith with a very fragile new medium. Chelsea’s at 10-1 are the only value, (just) if you include them in a treble. Man United at 11/8 with Liverpool at 5-1 and the Blues value a one pound stake pays quite well. If you add another team and back all the combinations you could have enough for an Easyjet ticket with Tony. It would be cool if we could bet our dooyoo miles on here. I could see you guys raking back a lot of those big hitter’s awards. I have a great concept to in dooyoo betting that involves everyone legal on the site. What if regular opinion tippers like me had a section where we could predict races and events and our current tipster form could be followed. Then punters could follow the most successful ones and back the tips with the said dooyoo miles. The better tippers get dooyoo miles as a reward for cleaning out mug punters. Everyone’s a winner Rodders.All those pretentious studenty writers that litter the site would have to give back all their miles and shinning crowns he he, im not jeloussssss. Birmingham is a healthy 10-1 with your people in Div 2 which i quite fancy. Man City at 3-1 are ridiculously tight, especially if Iyle Berkovich gets injured long term.I cant see Goater powering a promotion run he he Feed the Goat!,feed Ladbrokes more like.. Div Three is the usually subjects in Stoke (4/1) and W
        igan at a fairer eight’s. Brighton is a good price on dooyoo at 16-1 with their awesome Bobby Zamora. Hull City have bought big time and are clear favorites to zoom up with free scoring Bristol Rovers.Newly promoted conference side Rushden and Diamonds are mean at 10/1 and I would pick Darlington at 25/1 if you fancy an outside E/W nibble. Now this is where dooyoo is an advantage as it’s geared to looking for the best price on the net through some selected online betting services. To get punters to there sire you often get special offers if you look around. If the dooyoo search engine is good enough it should put a hyperlink onto the best value. There are special bets and politics with other little tempters near by. A drop down is helpful to see the big event wagers and the more obscure international events like baseball and rallying. You can even bet on the BBC sports personality of the year if you’re brave. Not many contenders yet and not much BBC sport either. Something that jumps out at you if you log in now is the test match price. England are a sexy six to one against to get off the mark. Considering Australia are without their inspirational captain and the prize is one, it’s a very good price. No England team he’s ever lost five nil and this one is not a bad side at strength. Let’s not forget Headingly 1981 and all that. If you want a silly bet, then how about Hillary Clinton for the 2004 US president through Paddypower online betting. I will snap up Jani Trulli at 80-1 tomorrow each way for the European grand prix. He’s in a good car with a good team and would have got a podium at Silverstone. On the whole it’s a fun site and easily accessible and simple to navigate. If I had confidence in the webs security I would be betting with them tommorow.

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          24.07.2001 23:50
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          Ok, I am a betting addict. I currently hold several accounts with online betting companies. So of course I was interested in what dooyoo betting comparison could offer me in my quest to make vast amount of money betting. Basically it lists all the major sports and the TV specials and gives you the best odds from the online betting sites. The service is very comprehensive, not just the standard football bets, but also a wide selection catering for all you?re betting needs. I like the novelty bets, like the big brother section on who will be evicted next! Not bad. I know dooyoo are not trying to provide anything more than a price comparison but I do wonder how many people actually use this service? I can get this information at most betting sites and along with much more. Take for example racingpost.com here I can view all the major betting websites odds on a particular event, so if I don?t have an account at the best priced site I can pluck for the best I can bet with. This is what dooyoo lacks; the comparison is poor when you don?t know what you?re comparing the best price with? Say 8/1 is the best price dooyoo displays; what if all the rest are 15/2 and so ½ point is not worth opening a new account for. Dooyoo states that that it is ?your one-stop shop for Internet sports betting? I cannot disagree more. It?s ok to find a fast reference to odds that might interest you but nothing more. I good gimmick I reckon no serious gambler will use.

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            11.07.2001 02:57
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            This is my first opinion - why? - because for the last year I have been happily reading away learning and enjoying the development of an e-pinions rip off done well. HOWEVER, as an adult I am saddened by the idea that dooyoo should be promoting it's new 'functionality' (useful!) - dooyoo betting. Whatever fluff the dooyoo copy writer can come up with it is obviously a money desperate attempt to try and generate leads for the companies touting their wares. DON'T get me wrong, I am sure there is a lot of money in providing betting companies with eager spenders, (I don't have to go into the problems that so many people get into with gambling.) I would just love to see at least some attempt to try and really help the dooyoo 'punter' make 'better decisions' by providing a little more than just a regurgitation of 'betgenius's' odds comparison engine. There aren't even any explanitory notes telling people what the events are! What about letting us at least leave our opinions as guides to our fellow members?? SORT IT OUT dooyoo, if you are going to try and sell us into gambling at least try to make an effort . . or are you all feeling too cheap at having taken this direction to even put any love into our wonderful new guide? We aren't thick you know . . . . don't treat us like dummies or we'll leave. I really hope your business works, it deserves to, but sometimes your decisions seem to need a bit more thought. yours, Blockhead

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              I have recently become a bit of a betting man, no thanks to flutter.com! I never had a bet on anything until I joined up to flutter and now if I see a paper on the table in the kitchen I’m straight into the horse racing section to see who has tipped which horse and whether it’s worth a small bet or not. However, I had never used any other betting site other than flutter.com and the odds that I saw were the odds that I got, I didn’t know any different really. That is until I signed up to William Hill thanks to dooyoo! Now, I’m not on about reading reviews about William Hill this time, I’m on about a new service courtesy of dooyoo, that is Dooyoo Betting. Y’what I hear you cry! Yes, dooyoo now offer you a betting service, but a betting service with a difference. The idea of the service is to offer you the best odds to be found on betting sites on the internet. So, as I enjoy a quick bet on the Gee Gee’s (horses, see, I’m even up on the good old betting slang now!!) I thought I would give this a go, that way I can have a bet and win more, if I win that is! So, off I went via one of the link’s advertising the betting service that can be found all over the dooyoo site at the moment and was confronted with a normal dooyoo screen with a range of different sports available for you to click on. I chose me horses and then was confronted with 7 events which disappointed me a bit. I actually thought that I was going to get a list of the races running each day and the best odds available, but all I did get was the next 7 major events including the King George VI Stakes and the Grand National 2002 which are all events that are quite a while away, but then I suppose it’s only good to get your bets in now if you can afford to do so and get the best odds which this is all about! I decided I’d have a look at The King George Stakes as it’s pretty soon that this race is being run. After
              clicking on it I was given a list of all the horses running followed by the odds and then a link through to the site that’s offering those odds. For different horses you had to go to different sites, all clearly labelled with their logo. The odds were good, but as with all betting, the clear favourite was offered to me at 1/1 with a site called eurobet that I had never heard of. For a clear favourite though those odds are quite good, at least you can double your money, but how do I know that this is a true best odds reading? Well, off a trundled to both flutter.com and William Hill to find out what those sites were offering me! (hey, I aint gonna be ripped off here!!) William Hill offered me the odds of 10/11. Not much difference really, but the dooyoo betting service is still offering the best odds. However, as soon as I took a look on flutter.com I found that I could get better odds from them. Flutter offered me the odds of 6/4. Now, before I go on, I do realise that flutter.com is a different type of betting site where people bet against each other and not against a bookmaker, but the point is, I could still make more money if I did the same bet on flutter.com than if I had followed the best odds on the dooyoo betting service. Maybe I should try this out on something else then, a different sport and see what happens there with the same sites, so I took a look at the football section. This section had a lot more events to offer me and I was more impressed with this section. I do sometimes have a bet on the football but I prefer my horses as I think most people do, but there we go, more events on offer in the football section! I took a look at the Premiership 2001-2002 event and again, decided to favour the favourite as I’m a coward and like to know that I’ve backed something that I have more chance with as I don’t like parting with my money! Manchester United was the favourite to win the Premiership (I don’t
              support them either, I’m an arsenal man myself! Again, Eurobet was listed as having the best odds and the odds shown were 1/1 again, so, back to William Hill and Flutter to see what those sites can offer me! Flutter.com offered me the odds of 5/6, so far dooyoo is winning! William Hill also offered me the same odds of 5/6 so well done dooyoo for winning this one! So to sum it all up, this service is rather good, especially for people like me who likes to know they are getting the most out of the service they are using. I must admit, most of the odds that I saw were via a site called Eurobet who I haven’t heard of, but they could be good, I don’t know. The more reputable names like William Hill and BlueSQ were also there. (I’ve just got to add here, there are some brilliant odds on Bolton Wanderers winning the premiership, 2000/1!!! Be a nice little profit but probably impossible!). What I never saw was a link through to flutter.com who seem to offer a lot of good odds and did actually win in one of the above tests. I do realise that flutter is in a league of its own in the way it works, but it would have been nice to see it listed there, I don’t know if this is possible or not, but I would recommend that if you do use the betting service, to also have a look at flutter to see what odds you can get out of them. The dooyoo betting service isn’t actually run by dooyoo, it is run by a site called betgenius so dooyoo can’t be held responsible if you find better odds elsewhere! Overall I would say this is a good service and something that dooyoo didn’t need to offer us but have done. It’s a nice little addition to the site that could come in very useful if you like a quick bet but will only be useful on the major sports events and not the smaller events. So, 4 out of 5, but remember, take a look at flutter before you comit yourself!

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                01.07.2001 07:15
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                Dooyoo Betting is a new service offered by Dooyoo that is designed to help you find the best odds for any particular bet you want to place. Of course, you will only be given internet site odds, but that was sort of expected. Still, heres what I made fo it. As a regular better (small stakes though), I am used to many internet sites that offer different odds. My facourite is undoubtedly Flutter.com, but I am a member of many others, so this service seemed rather appealing to me. The idea is simple. You click on the Dooyoo betting icon and get taken to a new screen. Here you will find a selection of areas in which you can bet including football, horse racing etc. You will only find mainstream bets which was a little dissappointing, but then again, not many places will offer the same bet if it isnt a popular one. I'm a football man so I clicked and waited... and waited... and waited. Then I clicked again and it loaded instantly, so it was most likely me. Now you have to understand that I was somewhat cautious at this point. I was waiting for the old 'Pay us x amount of cash' screen to pop up, but it didnt and I was offered some more refined bets. These included 'who will be next Man U boss?', 'Premiership Relegation/ Champions', 'Division 1 promotion' etc... You get the idea. All the main bets were there. I thought I would give it a go and looked up what odds I might get for Tottenham winning the Premiership. The best offered was 130/1 from William Hill (although this has since changed). I was a happy bunny as the best I had found myself was 125/1. Good odds then. Being a little sceptical I decided to try another bet and see what they offered me, after all this could be a one off fluke. I went to see what odds I would get on Man U winning the title. Surprise surprise the odds were 1/1 (or evens as we call it). Not that good but then that is almost a certainty. They offered me
                William Hill again but I wasnt convinced. On Flutter.com I found a better offer, but this site does change every second, so not really fair to judge. I tried a few more bets and found that Dooyoo does seem to have a fascination with William Hill (although saying that, I couldnt find better odds on any of the bets I chose so maybe its just the best online bookies?). I did manage to get some other online bookies to show up though, so it cant all be one sided. The service is free to use, although to make your bet you will need to register with the Bookies in question. Naturally Dooyoo will send you via their link and make the referal money, but this is nothing bad and actually only helps our beloved community. I was already a member of William Hill though so I stooped off and put my meaningless £10 bet on Spurs (gotta do it as a fan), safe in the knowledge that I had the best odds possible. If I was asked to sign up to a new site, I wouldn';t hesitate to do so as you still recieve all their introductory offers like free £10 bets etc... and Dooyoo does seem to search quite well for bets. If you have a specific bet you want to place, then check this out. If on the other hand you prefer to place rather more obscure bets then this is best left alone. The only other thing to mention is the high street bookies. They still exist but this site wont be able to search them. They are usually worse for odds though, so you wont be losing much. Overall then, I give this 5/5. Doing all my bets online it does find what I need and despite not covering obscure bets, it does seem to search the ones it offers very well. The service is also free and requires no extra signing up or registration (providing you are a Dooyoo member already). Well worth a look for anyone making a one off bet and even more useful for a regular gambler like myself. Could save you a fortune if you make big bets.

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