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I have always enjoyed cooking and like to do a bit every now and then when I have time to, however one thing that would really annoy me was my scales, they were the type where you put a dish on the top of the and they had a dial on the front, however they were never overly accurate and they went up in 40g stages which made measuring out ingredients a bit difficult. I decided I wanted some digital scales that would be a lot more accurate than the ones I had, however I didn't want to spend a huge amount of money. After having a look around I found the Salter ARC Electronic Kitchen Scales, these were ideal for what I wanted.
The Salter ARC Electronic Kitchen Scales are basically a square flat set of scales, they have quite a simple design to them which was just what I was looking for. They are made of a black plastic and at the front on the left hand side is the digital screen where the weight will appear when you are weighing, next to this are 2 buttons, one allows you to turn the scales on and off and also zero the scales, the other allows you to change the weight between grams and ounces, the name Salter also is on the front of the scales.
On the back of the scales is a small battery compartment should it need changing, I have used my scales on a regular basis for several months now and have not had to change the battery once. The scales are an ideal size, they are not big and bulky and do not take up a lot of room whilst you are trying to cook, they measure 5cm (H) x 20cm (W) x 20cm (D), this also makes them easy to store, the scales are also very light weighing just 7lbs making them transportable and easy to move around should you require.
The Salter scales do not contain a large amount of features, they really are quite simple scales, however you do have the choice to measure in either ounces or grams which I find very useful as some recipes I have are in grams and then others will be in ounces, this saves me having to try and convert it myself which always results in me ringing my Mum so she can look on her scales which have a dial and convert it for me. The other feature that I really like on these scales is that when they are turned on you can put a bowl or saucepan or something on top of the scales and then simply press a button to zero the scales meaning it doesn't matter what you use to measure your ingredients it, it also allows you to weigh multiple ingredients as well, I find this feature extremely useful.
The Salter ARC Electronic Kitchen Scales are available from places such as Tesco, Asda and Amazon. I bought my scales from my local Tesco and they cost me just £10.00, personally I thought this was excellent value for money, the scales are of a very good quality and in my opinion are well worth the money.
I have been using these scales for several months now and I have been extremely pleased with them, they are so much better than my old scales and they are a lot more accurate, I like the fact that I can weigh all my ingredients at once quickly and conveniently. In my opinion the scales are of an excellent quality and are definitely worth the money. For someone looking for a simple yet effective set of Kitchen scales I would highly recommend these.
I bought this scale a couple of years ago. Not, as you can tell from the title, for cooking, but to weigh items that I sell on Ebay. I bought it from Tesco. I wouldn't have bought it if it hadn't been the only digital one for sale. However, I think the initial high cost has been recouped over the years.
The scale is small, slim and light, and is easy stored. It quickly switches on. You can choose for the display to be in grammes or in ounces. The result is easily readable and always accurate. When I post things at the post office I look at the weight on their weighing scales and the result is either the same or a gramme or two out. For such a small scale I find it quite impressive. I use the weight of the items I sell to judge the postage price I will set by inputting it into the Royal Mail Price Checker.
Of course, I have also occasionally used the scale for kitchen use and have found it just as accurate there too! If it ever broke I would not hesitate in buying another one from Salter as a replacement.
As an avid baker a good kitchen scale is an essential bit of kit for me especially when trying out new recipes. For years I had a basic Ikea kitchen scale which was mechanicaland came with a weighing bowl. But after a bit of it snapped off and I realised it was simply taking up too much room I decided to invest in a good digital scale and decided on this one as it seemed to be good value.
This scale comes in a small cardboard box, and doesn't seem to have excess packaging which is good, and once you have opened it you need to install a battery (the scale I had didn't come with one which is a shame). This bit I found quite tricky as it has a screw opening with a plastic tab underneath and after a lot of wrestling with it I had to take it off with a set of pliers. That said now I have opened it once and removed the plastic tab it is really easy to take the battery cover off and put it back on again.
*** The scale***
The scale itself is really slim line and doesn't take up much room in the cupboard and while it doesn't come with a bowl I actually prefer that as I would only use my ordinary baking bowls anyway. Mine is also white unlike the one pictured.
Using the scale is really easy all you need to do is put your bowl on the scale and turn it on (that also zero's the scale) and then you can choose between ounces or grams depending on your recipe. Because there are only two buttons on the front of the scale it is simple to operate. What I also like about the scale is you can weigh something and then zero the scale and then weigh another ingredient on top of it really accurately (while you could do that with my old mechanical scale it did involve a bit of math) so there is less washing up.
So far I have found the scale to be very accurate and because it is electronic you know that what you are weighing will be deadone as often mechanical scales involve a little bit of guess work. It also shuts down after being left idle for a while so saves on battery use as well.
Let's face it you want kitchen equipment that is easy and simple to clean and this scale is really easy to wipe down. Because it is just a flat plate you simply need to wipe it with a damp cloth (I often use a bit of kitchen cleaner or washing up liquid so I know it is clean) and that's it. Whereas, my old mechanical scale sometimes could be slightly more of a chore to clean as it had more nooks and crannies.
At £8.99 from Argos I have found this scale to be great value. However, I am going to knock a star off for the problems I had fitting the battery.
Please note this review also appears on Ciao under the username SamanthaL82
I have had my Salter electronic kitchen scales for ages and they are something that I tend to use loads as I am always baking and trying out new recipes that require precise amounts.
The scales are fairly cheap but they work well and are well made. My scales are made of plastic and it is white coloured. The scales are pretty slim and easy to store away in a cupboard without taking up too much room.
Though they are neat and tidy looking I can fit a large bowl on them and the scales have a function that allows the weight to be set to zero when a bowl has been placed on top of them meaning that I don't need to worry about subtracting the weight of the bowl from my measurements.
The scales can either be put to grams or pounds and ounces. I usually stick to grams as this is what I am used to but lately I have been trying out some American recipes and these are normally in lbs and oz so I appreciate the fact that I can switch whenever I want between the two of them.
The readings that I get are accurate and I feel more comfortable using these rather than the old fashioned weighing scales as with baking the amounts need to be precise so I can be assured right up to the exact gram that I am putting the correct measurements of flour, sugar etc. in my baking.
Although I have used these loads they are still looking good and a damp cloth is all I use to wipe them down with when I feel they need a clean. The only thing that gives away that I have used them loads is the fact that I needed to change the battery but I didn't have to do this until I had them for nearly a year and the battery was easy to get as it is a standard round battery which is widely available.
The maximum capacity of the scales is only 3kg but to be honest I personally have never even went near to this when baking so unless you are baking a cake for a giant then it should be ample for most people.
*What are They?*
These salter scales are very small digital kitchen scales, they cost around £7 from Tesco. They are very slim line and light, measuring in at 18X18X3cm so are very mobile and easy to store away in a cupboard. They weigh in g/kg and oz/lbs up to 3kg/7lbs so are perfect for the kitchen environment. The scales measurements in increments of 1g or 0.1oz so is definitely accurate enough for any uses you may have. They require one small round lithium battery, one is included in the scale and mine is yet to run out! The scales have 15 year, yes I said 15 year! guarantee, all you need to do is keep the paperwork and receipt. Value for money even if they last 5 years let alone 15.
The scales have two buttons and a small digital display. The buttons are: On/Zero button and a oz/grams button. The on/zero button obviously turns the scales on, it also zeros any weight you have on the scales to further measure ingredients if you cannot do it individually. The oz/grams button is useful to change between depending what the units used in your recipe book or similar.
I have several uses for the scales. I use them in the kitchen to measure ingredients when making food such as protein , pancakes or other baking goods. The scales are also very useful to weigh small packet and parcels before posting to work out how much they will be, this is a great use for the scales as they go up to 3kg. My last and more obscure use is weighing my young tortoises to track growth. Slightly more tricky when they are squirming around everywhere! but effective none the less.
The accuracy of the scales seems spot on. I regularly try weighing things that I know the weight on (100g or 1 kg usually) just to check the scales are still accurate. Nothing more frustrating than scales that are wrong and you don't realise, could really ruin your food!! I've had them for around 10 months now and have had no problems with inaccurate results so far.
A great little set of scales that are mobile and don't cost the earth. Very simple and easy to use. Accurate weighing and I would definitely recommend these to anyone for use in the kitchen. 5 star set of scales here.
I bought this kitchen scale about three months ago after joining weight watchers. My previous kitchen scale wasn't digital and I wanted the accuracy to measure things down to the gram and be confident I'd got it right!
The scale is pretty good value for money, I paid £9 from Tesco online and I've used it so frequently its probably about 2p per use so far!
The scale looks more attractive than a lot out there. Its slimline and unobtrusive and is a nice matte black colour which will fit in well with lots of modern kitchens and kitchen appliances. Its not too trendy either so shouldn't date too quickly.
The scale is really easy to use, you simply press the on/0 button and the scale will automatically weigh in metric but you can easily switch to imperial measurements if you prefer. The scale is accurate, the only issue with the functionality of it is that it doesn't always return to zero properly after you've weighed something and you need to turn it off and back on again. That's no great hardship though.
My one gripe with this scale is that it doesn't come with a bowl or contained to weight things in. Most old fashioned scales seemed to have this, but looking at Amazon many newer ones don't. Its not a huge problem, as you can just use one of your own dishes or tubs, but it would have been nice to have something that fitted on perfectly and matched the appearance of the scale.
The scale is very lightweight, and at first I was worried it might be a bit flimsy, but I've weighed some quite heavy stuff on it, spilled pasta sauce all over it and even dropped it and it is so far undamaged so don't be put off, its tougher than it looks!
~*~*~ Salter Arc Electronic Kitchen Scale ~*~*~
~ What is it? ~
This is a small compact kitchen weighing scale by Salter. It has a very simple look being a small black square with two buttons and a screen. It is very simple to use which is why I like it.
~ Why I bought it ~
I really like to bake, cakes, biscuits, pizza's etc. And whilst I have always liked baking I had used cheaper mechanical scales in the past that I always ended up breaking or more to the point they would end up breaking through no fault of my own, so a year or so ago I decided whilst in Tesco to buy a decent weighing scale and when I saw this small Salter one for under £10 I popped it in my trolley. I didn't really think much of it, it looked like it would do the job I needed it to and that was that. A rather simple impulse buy if I am to be honest!
~ How does it look? ~
It's not a bad looking scale. It's just a plain black plastic square with two round buttons on the right hand side, a small 1.5 inch long - half inch wide screen on the left and Salter printed in the middle of the both in white print. The top and bottom have a straight edge and the sides are rounded and curve down. The underneath of it has four small rubber dots - the feet, and the battery compartment which simply needs to be turned to opened.
If your after a fancy looking scale this probably won't be the one for you as it is plain but not ugly in anyway in my opinion.
~ Using it ~
Using it couldn't be easier. The two buttons on the right hand side are simply the g - oz button where you can choose to measure in either grammes or ounces, the other is the on - zero button this is obviously the on button and where you can clear the scale back to zero without having to empty the bowl, this is the add and weigh function which I think makes baking a whole lot easier.
When making a cake for instance you need to measure flour, butter/margarine and sugar, with other scales this would mean measuring each one out separately, transferring the ingredient to another bowl and then repeating the process again until everything is weighed. But with this you can put a bowl onto the scale, add a measurement of sugar, press the button to take the scale back to zero and then you can add the butter directly to that bowl and then you can do the same for the flour, this means you are using less bowls which means less washing up at the end! Perfect!
It has a maximum weight limit of 3kg or 7lbs.
When you have finished the top can simply be wiped over with a damp cloth to keep it clean.
~ My thoughts ~
This is something I use quite a lot, last week for instance I made my mum a rainbow birthday cake which consisted of seven different coloured layers, I used the scale to measure my ingredients and it was perfect everytime. I particularly like the add and weigh function as this makes the whole process easier for me.
I would estimate that I use this scale at least twice a week if not more and I have owned it for well over a year now and as of yet I haven't needed to change the battery.
Since I bought it I have read some bad reviews on this but I really have nothing bad to say about it at all. It weighs everything accurately and all my baking comes out brilliantly if I do say so myself!
My only problem with them is that they don't come with a bowl which in hindsight I think I would have preferred but I will not be replacing these until they break so I will make do with my own bowl for the time being!
The battery it takes is a Lithium CR2032 which is included and as of yet I haven't needed to replace it. They also come with a very generous 15 year guarantee.
Looking online I can see that they can also be bought in white yet the only option available when I bought them was black.
Thanks for reading :o) x
I like to do a lot of cooking and baking and because of this, I did end up buying a really decent set of kitchen scales. I had looked around and Salter are always one of the best brands for this kind of thing and so this is why I went for this Arc model. I liked the look of these and although on Amazon, these were really slated with terrible reviews it didn't put me off as I like to give things a try and make up my own mind. Also, these were on sale at a really reasonable price which made me even more ready to buy these.
These are a black plastic scale and on the front is the Salter logo and to the left of this is a small LCD screen which is 20mm and it is where you will see the numbers for weighing. The dimensions of these scales are 220 (W) x 220 (L) x 38 (H) in millimetres and the weight is 499g so they are very light themselves. There are two buttons on the front of the scales which are all you need. These scales run on a lithium battery but other than that there is nothing more you need to do to set these up.
SALTER ARC SCALES
These scales are very easy to use which is why I like them, a lot of the negative comments I read about these were about the battery life but in all honesty I think it is reasonable. It is all depending on how often you are using these scales but general use I would say the battery should last a good couple of months as this has been the case for myself. These come with an auto switch off feature which is handy if you forget to turn these off but this is pretty standard in most electrical appliances nowadays.
So these come in imperial and metric measurements, the oz function can be good for baking but I do use the grams more than anything as this is typical of most cooking. I find the measurements are pretty accurate on these and it is easy to use them. You can either weigh directly onto the scales or for example something like flour just put it on a bowl and then hit the zero button and it puts it back to zero and then weighs the flour so that you know the measurement and it is really easy this way and less messy.
The maximum measurements on both settings is 3kg or 7lbs which is good really. Also, just be careful about where you are storing these as this may be a problem as it was for me. I kept them in my kitchen but the steam from cooking started to affect these and how they were working so I now keep them out of the way and in a cupboard. It is easy to clean these scales also you just need to give them a quick wipe down and they are as good as new and they are so slim that they take up no room really.
I do like these kitchen scales and regardless of the bad reviews, I cannot say that these are awful as they are not. They do a really good job and weigh very accurately and easily, there is nothing wrong to give these a low rating. If you do a lot of cooking these are a reliable brand and really well made, I haven't had any big problems since buying these. Salter are a brand I'd easily buy again and it is great to have these by my side while baking as I know everything is being weighed correctly on these.
You can get these kitchen scales on Amazon where it will cost you just £9.99 which is really cheap I think for a set of kitchen scales by a brand like Salter.
The official Salter website is http://www.salterhousewares.com/.
I had broken the old kitchen scales as I dropped them and unfortunately when they fell I broke the dial so after them working well for many years I had to invest in a new set.
Then I decided to do some cooking one morning and I completely forgot that they were broken, so when I picked up the cooking ingredients from Sainsbury's I also had to purchase a new set of scales. Unfortunately they did not have a wide selection they had one set, so I didn't really have a choice.
The Salter black electronic scales were £12.99, it was a little more than I wanted to pay, but as they were electronic I assumed that this justified the price increase.
The Salter scale is 22cm x 22cm x 3.8cm and they weight just under 500g. It is like a small black box and it has a 2cm LCD display that displays the weight. The scale weighs in imperial and metric, you can convert between the two, to which ever you prefer grams or pounds and ounces.
There is also a great function on the scale for you to use and this is you can place a jug onto the bowl and then when you turn the scale on it is automatically set to zero. If you want to measure multiple ingredients then you can turn the scale off after adding each item and then when you turn it in the scale sets back to zero, so you do not have to add up as you go along.
The scale will automatically turn off after a period of time to make sure that the battery life is preserved for as long as possible. The scale is also easy to use as there are only two buttons. There is the on/off button, all you need to do is touch the button to turn it on and hold it for a few seconds to turn it off. The other button is the button that converts the weight on the display from metric to imperial.
When I took the scale out of the box I was pleasantly surprised at how compact they were. They are only 4 cm thick so you are able to slide them into the cupboard without even realising that they are there.
These scales are incredibly accurate and are exact to the last gram. I have recently sold a number of items on Ebay and when I post the items I weigh them to make sure I know how much to charge and these are incredibly accurate.
The only one problem I find is that the battery life is not amazing and you get little to no warning before they need replacing, which is highly unhelpful when you are trying to cook. The battery that they take are also not your standard battery they are a flat battery so it is not something that you will have lying spare in your kitchen drawer.
Overall a great kitchen scale, just a shame about the awkward battery, which is why I cannot give the scale full marks.
I invested in a set of these kitchen scales after months of guestimating how much of each ingredient I should be putting in my cooking and baking and having started to make more breads, which were coming out the oven to mixed results, I thought it was time to get a set of scales.
I picked these scales up from one of the Tesco Home shops for £10 and I have been very impressed. The main two factors behind my purchase was the price, I felt that £10 was very reasonable for digital scales. The second factor was the manufacturer, Salter. From talking to the likes of my Mum, Salter's seem to be a good manufacturer of kitchen products and it would seem that mother does know best.
The scales are aesthetically pleasing and I will fit well in any kitchen as they are black in colour. There is a flat base and nice rounded edges. There is a 20mm digital LCD display, which is nice and clear to read and isn't too small and there are two buttons on the scales. One button lets you toggle between grams and ounces', depending on which way you are inclined and the other button is the on/zero button.
The way the scales are designed is that there you place a bowl or plate on to the scales, press the zero button, which resets the weight to zero and then add what you would like to weigh to the bowl or plate. I find this is also useful when baking as you can add multiple ingredients to the one bowl. I just pop my mixing bowl on the scales, press zero, add my flour, press zero, add my sugar, press zero and so on. I find that this causes less mess and fewer dishes which is always a bonus.
The scales are also nice and lightweight and compact to make storing them easy. The dimensions of the scales are 220 (w) x 220 (l) x 38 (h) mm so they won't take up much cupboard space.
These scales get the thumbs up from me. I have found that my bread has improved from being able accurately weigh my ingredients. £10 well spent.
I needed some electronic scales because I had some cheapo traditional mechanical ones that I think were from the pound shop and I found them difficult to set to zero and they weren't as precise as I would have liked.
I originally went to Argos and ended up buying their value electronic scales as I am usually a big fan of value ranges for items that are going to go in a drawer and only be used on an occasional basis. Unfortunately on this occasion the Argos value scales were absolutely useless and were quickly returned to the store where I swapped them for these Salter electronic scales.
The Salter electronic kitchen scales are sleekly modern looking and unlike the picture here on dooyoo the ones that I have are white in colour. They are made from plastic and are incredibly lightweight and they are really thin so are easy to store away in a drawer or in a cupboard. Because they look so good though they could easily be left out on the kitchen worktop without any embarrassment.
Although they look good they are on the cheaper end of the price scale when it comes to electronic kitchen scales and this is apparent when you handle them and you can feel just how fragile they feel so be extra careful when holding them not to drop them on the floor as I would imagine that one good drop would shatter them in half.
These scales are so easy to use that I doubt anyone would ever need to read the instructions that come with them. First of all you need to make sure that you have installed the battery that comes with them. The battery is the round type and already in the right place and all you have to do is remove the bit of plastic that separates it from the scales and you are ready to go.
There are only two buttons on the scales so no need to worry about which button is for which function. One button is for changing the weight between ounces and grams and the other is for turning the scales on and resetting the scales to zero so that you get an accurate reading.
I only ever use them in grams as I don't really understand ounces and most recipes these days come in grams but I do appreciate the fact that they have the option to choose and my mum for instance has borrowed my scales and she only really works in lbs and ounces.
There is an LCD display so that you can see what your measurements are and although this isn't huge it is big enough to be able to see it without having to bend right over to the scales. The measurements graduate in 1 grams at a time and if using the imperial measurements in 1/8 of an ounce.
The maximum weight that the scales can take is 3kg or 7lbs which is absolutely fine for kitchen scales and more than enough for most recipes.
The surface area of the scales isn't huge and only 18cm so it would be quite messy having to use it for measuring flour or sugar for example as they would just slide off the scales and get all over the work top. The scales get around this by having a function whereby you can place a mixing bowl on top of the scales then you are able to reset the scales to zero by pressing the button and fill the bowl with what you wish to measure.
This is a brilliant feature and can be used to set the not only the bowl to zero but also say that you are baking a cake you can measure the exact amount of butter you want then set the scales to zero and add the sugar and then the flour etc. Not having to measure all the ingredients separately then empty them into a separate bowl and measure again saves loads of time and this resetting the scales to zero feature is definitely my favourite thing about these scales.
I find the accuracy of the scales to be really good and on point. The Argos value scales would give me a different reading every time that I would place something on them but these scales give me the exact reading each time and I have never had a moment of using them where they will tell me 2 grams one time and then 3 grams the next with the same amount of whatever I am measuring. To be sure of their accuracy when I bought them I spent some time before using them in the kitchen weighing different things that I owned just to make sure that they were accurate.
Cleaning them is a breeze too. Because most of the time I am using a large mixing bowl on top of them they usually remain clean anyway but occasionally when I am feeling lazy I have just put things like butter directly on the surface of the scales and any bits that were left over just wiped off with a damp cloth. Because the plastic covering is so smooth I find that almost nothing sticks to it and what does just wipes off really easily and quickly.
As I said I bought my Slater electronic kitchen scales in white from Argos where they cost me £9.99 which I really didn't think was bad for electronic kitchen scales by such a well known company. The scales can also be bought in black and they are also widely available in kitchen shops and online. I noticed that after I had bought mine that they can be found cheaper online and you can actually get them for about £7.00 on amazon which I think is an absolute bargain.
I would highly recommend these kitchen scales. I think that they were a great price and I have had no problems whatsoever whilst owning and using them. They look good and are accurate which is all I need from a pair of scales. I am sure that the more expensive ones will measure to a fraction of a gram but for most people these will do everything you need at a fraction of the price of these fancy scales. Just be careful not to drop them!
Mr. E and I enjoy a bit of entertaining and cooking for my parents - we count it as a hobby of ours. We probably cook about once every three or so weeks for my parents, and when we do we generally try to go all out and cook something different and exciting. Now, neither of us are particularly confident in the kitchen on our own, so for these more taxing meals we use recipes and stick to them very closely. And for every recipe we follow closely, we need a good kitchen scale too...
In the past we'd always used my mum's old kitchen scale - an old fashioned affair where you line up little weights along the bottom and a big silver tray sits on the top. We thought it was about time we bought something a bit more practical to use, so we picked up this Salter Arc Electronic Scale for half price at less than £5 from Tesco. Its normal retail price is £9.75. A bargain as well!
This scale is so simple to use, as it has just two buttons: 'g-oz' and 'on-zero'. As you've probably guessed from the label on the first button, you can measure in both grams and ounces, and you can switch between the two by pressing this button. It measures in whole grams, and eighths, quarters and halves of ounces, so you can guarantee that it's as accurate as you'll need for your day-to-day cooking.
On the other button, the 'zero' part indicates a really useful function of this scale - the fact that you can 'add and weigh'. This means that you can place a bowl on the scale, tare it (or zero it) and then measure the amount that you pour into the bowl, without measuring the weight of the bowl itself. This is especially handy for measuring liquids or powder ingredients. Furthermore, once you have measured one ingredient in the bowl, just press the 'zero' button and it will tare itself again, meaning that you can measure how much of a second ingredient you are adding to the bowl. In other words, you can measure countless different ingredients in one bowl, by just adding your ingredient and pressing the zero button.
You can also place ingredients straight onto the surface of the scale itself, as its smooth, flat top means that it can be wiped clean very easily. Occasionally flour or other similar powdered ingredients can get stuck by the edges of the buttons, but some careful wiping or an ear bud will clean these up properly as well.
The scale does have an automatic off feature, as if the display shows '0' for one minute or the same reading for three minutes it will turn itself off, which is great as it means you'll get a longer life out of your battery. However, you can also turn it off manually by pressing and holding the 'on-zero' button.
The scale only measures 18cm by 18cm, and is only 2.5cm high, so it is quite small and can slot into your kitchen cupboards easily. It's not too big that it's impractical, but it's big enough that you can measure most of what you'll need to each day.
The scale comes with a sheet telling you about 'Electromagnetic Compatibility' - which just says that you should keep this scale away from some radio transmitting devices. It also comes with a fifteen year guarantee, which shows that the makers are confident that this is a good quality, long-lasting product, as well as instructions for use. These are extremely simple and easy to read, and tell you everything you need to know about how to use the scale. All of the paperwork is written in eleven different languages, including English.
Overall, I would thoroughly recommend this scale. It is everything we need for our cooking, and more. I can envisage it lasting us for many years and don't intend to buy another scale for a long time. This scale is accurate, practical and easy to house and clean. And for such a bargain, I don't see how you can go wrong with it!