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I always pass the MAC make up counter filled with longing but feeling a bit shy so normally walk on by, but recently I was in holiday in a shop selling MAC without all the scary sales assistants so was able to try a few products without pressure to buy. I already have a lipstick from the range that I really like so wanted to try out another 'staple' item which for me, was a black eye liner.
I spotted the rather unusual packaging on a line of 'Archie's Girl' make up which is cartoon like with white packaging and red hearts with the MAC branding. Their black eye liner pencil was really striking with a fine glitter within it that caught the light.
The packaging of the pencil is substantial with a white box to protect it and then a pencil (which you sharpen) and a white lid. The pencil is white with red hearts on it, inkeeping with the box. At the till the girl unboxed my eyeliner to check it and said it was non returnable at that point. I had tried the tester on the back of my hand and was happy with the colour.
I was actually back at the hotel (still on holiday) when I eagerly unboxed the pencil and went to try it. I can't tell you how disappointed I was when it just crumbled on contact with my eye and the point fell off the pencil. I had to use my other eye liner all week then as I hadn't been organised to pack a pencil sharpener!
On my return, I sharpened the pencil and tried again and it was just a soft smudgy mess, impossible to draw a line with as the pencil just smeared a thick mess all over my eye. Rubbing with a cotton bud achieved a sort of look but not one I particularly wanted.
I paid over £11 for this pencil and this included some sort of discount as it was being sold in a shopping outlet.
My pencil was definitely not like the one that was displayed as a tester. I have even tried putting it in the fridge to see if it makes it any harder but it really didn't work. If I lived closer to the shop I'd return the pencil and complain even though they stated no returns as I feel really misled by the tester.
This had the potential to be such a nice eye liner but it failed miserably. I will never buy MAC eyeliners ever again. I can recommend the Loreal gel (in a pot) eyeliner though as a really fabulous one if you get the right sort of brush to go with it (discard the one you get with it immediately!!!). Please note this was the 'Archie's Girl' black MAC eyeliner which is described as a pearl glide intense eye liner shimmer eye pencil that I am reviewing.
I bought this eyeliner pencil a while back in black.
~ Appearance ~
It is rather long for an eyeliner at just over 6 inches long. The pencil itself is a matte black colour with the famous MAC logo in white lettering. It also has the words, 'eye/lip liner pencil aloe vera & vitamin E' in white lettering and it also tells you in much smaller letters that the product weighs 1.5g.
There is a glossy black colour around the bottom 2 centimetres of the pencil, which indicates the colour of the pencil.
The pencil has a grey lid which sits over the point of the pencil. The lid is easily removed to reveal the pencil's point.
The pencil has that wooden pencil smell to it.
As I have mentioned in many of my eyeliner reviews, I prefer wooden kohl eyeliner pencils as I find they have a more precise application than liquid or crayon liners and also I find the effect they have is longer lasting.
~ Price and availability~
This MAC kohl eye/ lip liner pencil is available from larger Boots stores, department stores and online at www.maccosmetics.co.uk for around £13.50.
~ Use ~
I have found that this eyeliner pencil is easy to apply above my upper lash line, but it is not as smooth and precise as other eyeliners I have used.
I also find that when I apply this eyeliner to my waterline it barely shows up at all and I have to go over the colour repeatedly to try to build it up. Once it is applied to my waterline it appears to be a little uneven and it is not as effective as other eyeliners I have used.
The point of the pencil seems a little bit more tough and rigid than that of better eyeliner pencils I have used, which had soft, but firm points, from which I also found the colour transferred onto your skin much easier.
Above my lash line the eyeliner appears bold and effective. I really like the effect it creates. I have pale skin and this eyeliner shows up bold against it and it makes my eyes stand out.
Once it is applied I have found it to be fairly long lasting above my lash line, where it does not smudge or wear off for a good few hours.
Once applied to my waterline it lasts a few hours before it needs to be topped up or reapplied.
It is easy to remove when you are ready to take it off and it doesn't irritate my eyes at all.
The information on the side of this pencil suggests it can be used on lips as well as eyes, but I don't think a black coloured pencil is suitable as a lipliner and I don't think anyone looking to buy this pencil in black would use it as a lipliner pencil either.
~ Conclusion ~
Overall, I think this eyeliner is good, but it is not the best I have used. I think it lacks precision and is quite difficult to apply to your waterline.
It is quite expensive for the results it offers. I have had much more success with much cheaper brands.
The pencil is quite rigid and has quite a hard point to it, which is not ideal for application, but it still looks good when applied to your lash line or when it is repeatedly applied to your waterline and the final look is bold and effective.
I like this eyeliner, but I'd be reluctant to buy it again as it is quite expensive and I achieve better results from cheaper pencils. I would not recommend this eyeliner pencil as Barry M and Avon's Color Trend pencils are much better products, but retail for around one fifth of the price of this one.
I'm a huge MAC fan and have been using these liners for years and I honestly don't know how they have got any bad reviews. I think the key is to choose the right colour, don't be afraid to try them on in the shop, clean them and then try them on your eyes, not just the back of your hand! Make use of the fantastic shop make up girls who will give you tips on how to use them.
My long time favourite colour is Blooz, a deep navy blue colour that goes on really smoothly and leaves and intense creamy line. It's great to use instead of black for a smoky eye, and brings out the colour of your eyes if you use it to line your inner eye line.
I also use Forever Green which is a sage colour, not as intense as some of the others but it looks great to add a bit of smoky colour on your inner eye, or I often use it with a light brown liquid liner to give a great summery sultry effect.
My latest acquisition is Heirloom which is silver. It looks fantastic when used alone for a touch of smoke, but is also great to line your inner eye when using any other colours because it brightens and makes you look more awake. Enjoy!
I used a friends MAC eyeliner, after losing mine somewhere! I had a benefit one, which I thought was fabulous and still do think it is one of the best out there. After using this too I also find this brilliant, and have now just purchased one.
This product retails around £15, which I think even though expensive, is worth it if you know you will be getting a professional product like this one.
It comes in a lovely box, with silver stylish writing on - very attractive like similar products in this category (benefit, urban decay, ysl)
One of my favourite selling points of this eyeliner is that is contains almost no ingredients that cause irritation. It is so soft to apply and literally glides on. The difference between cheaper versions and these is down to quality, and it just oozes out of MAC. Very comfortable to apply onto eyes, and contains 1.45g, which lasts for plenty of months. It defined my eyes really well too and just glided on.
Mine lasted all night from 9pm until 3am, and I didn't feel like I had to reapply, and it didn't go streaky or come off (even in a hot club). So overall I am very impressed with this product.
I do definably recommend this product, although would advise people to shop around and look for it cheaper, because offers are out there. MAC eyeliners also come in loads of different styles, so make sure you get the right one that suits you. But overall, brilliant product!
Mac describes the product as follows:
Eye Pencils are formulated to provide rich, consistent colour using ingredients that have virtually no irritancy potential. They are comfortable to apply and sharpen to a fine point to allow for a precise application. Eye Pencils can be used to create a sharp line or a softer, smoky effect. They are long-lasting and won't cake or streak.
Price: £11.50 per stick
I actually have no idea why I bought this product, I think the sales person talked to me into it. I've only used it a couple of times and can't say I'm that impressed. I'm not sure what I was expecting but this eye-liner is really no different to any other eye-liner I've tried.
Probably not worth wasting your money on another mac product, as others probably do the trick just as well.
I have this eye pencil in grey, and I think grey is probably quite rare, but I'm sure you could find it if you looked around...
I went to the MAC store thinking I'm going to buy myself a good quality eyeliner that will last all day. How wrong was I! It was awful. By far the WORST pencil eyeliner I have ever used. I'm not sure how much it cost, it was around the £13 mark I think. Anyway, I bought the pencil and used it a few times and I wont be using it again. Because of how poor the eyeliner was I probably wont waste my money on any other MAC products in the future either. I looked like a panda after about 30 minutes of wearing it, it smudged down your face without even touching it or anythink. I wear it under my eyes rather than on my eyelids and it just basically smudged down my face making me like a panda. Really Really bad product please nobody buy it, I'm not someone who exaggerates either :) Dont waste your money save yourself about £5 and go to superdrug!
My sister owns a MAC Eye Pencil and I used it once when I was with her and fell in love with it! It was creamy and of a very high quality. It also lasted ages. However, I am reviewing a different eye pencil.
So the next time I was at Heathrow airport, I visited the MAC counter at the duty free. I looked around at the different eye pencils on display and then chose the MAC Powerpoint Eye Pencil (in Engraved which is a black colour) mainly because I remembered the website description which is "Waterproof. Longwearing. Metallic, shimmer and matte finishes. Smooth to apply. Won't transfer, smudge, or budge... Draws the line: powers your eyes. Makes its point. Lasts." This eye pencil is available in a number of different shades: blues, greens, purples, browns, greys.
I don't usually buy MAC products as they are too expensive for me, but I use the MAC concealer, and have to admit that you pay for quality. I've been using this eye pencil for a while now and absolutely love it. It is the creamiest eye pencil I have ever used and so, it goes on very smooth. I just have to go over my skin once to get a dark, even line and the colour pay off is fantastic. I have sensitive eyes that usually water when I use eye pencils on my water line but I can use this eye pencil on my water line without any problems.
What I love the most about this product is that the colour lasts very long (I've only ever used this on nights out, but at the end of the night, the colour is always perfect) and it stays put! With other eye pencils I find that the colour usually transfers everywhere: to the top of my eyelid, underneath my lower lid, everywhere, giving me raccoon eyes. I am happy to confirm that this has never happened with my MAC Powerpoint Eye Pencil.
It is definitely waterproof as I have splashed water on my face with this eye pencil on, and it did not budge. However, it is very easy to remove with eye make-up remover and dragging and pulling (which are not good for the delicate eye area) are not required. Since this eye pencil is very creamy, I find that it becomes blunt faster than my other eye pencils and so I don't see it lasting as long as other eye pencils, but I will buy another one when mine finishes.
This 1.2g eye pencil can be bought for £12.50 from the MAC online store. I bought it for a little less (a little over £10 I believe) at the duty free. I would not recommend buying from ebay and such places, because it is very easy to get a fake product. The eye pencil is expensive but definitely worth it as the website description is completely true and you are paying for quality.
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I was really disappointed when I discovered that my favourite eyeliner had been discontinued by Vie at Home, so wanted to find a replacement that was just as good. I've found a lot of kohl eyeliners to be scratchy and hard to apply or too soft and smudgy. I'd heard fantastic things about MAC cosmetics so I thought I'd try their kohl pencil.
The pencil looked very stylish - a long matt black pencil with silver branding and writing. It came in a black box with white writing.
I purchased the pencil in the shade "Smolder" which is basically black. I like to wear a line of kohl across my eyelid, and draw a very thin line under my eye. I've found this eyeliner very easy to apply. It's not scratchy but not too soft. It sharpens well and leave a nice solid colour.
Unfortunately it does seem to smudge a little easily and I've ended up with panda eyes a couple of times. If I'm on a night out, I now have to use a make up sealant to stop it smudging in the heat of the pub - I wonder if It'll to do the same as the weather heats up.
The eyeliner cost £14, which I felt was reasonable for this brand, but I am disappointed that it is not long lasting. It is available from department stores and various websites, in a variety of shades.
Overall, I like that this eyeliner has been easy to apply and has a nice solid colour, but disappointed that it tends to smudge easily. I've found it a lot better than eyeliners from The Body Shop, No7, Lancome and Chanel, but it doesn't live up to my old Vie at Home pencil.
The MAC eye pencil is one of the best eyeliners I have come across. Yes, it is much more expensive than an eyeliner should be, especially when there are some which cost around three pounds. However, those eyeliners might not work for everyone. In my case, for example, it took me a long time to find my perfect eyeliner. I have sensitive, watery eyes and that usually ruins all the eye make up you put on. However, this pencil worked perfectly for me. It is dense and quite greasy, so it sticks to your eyes and it doesn't smudge uncontrollably. Also, you can create almost any effect with it, as it can be smudged with your finger when applied or combined with other products. It lasts for a surprisingly long time as well, so you might consider this as a clever eyeliner investment. Some things are worth paying a little bit more - and this is definitely one of them.
I found this product quite expensive for what it is. I paid £12 for this at a MAC stand, whereas you can get perfectly good eyeliners for £3/£4. On the other hand, it is a very good eyeliner. I have the black one and its a lovely, dark, rich black. It also glides on very smoothly and doesn't drag the eyelid. I found it incredibly long lasting, i can apply it first thing in the morning and it's still there late at night. It is also very easy to blend and smudge for that smokey eyed effect. It comes in a thin carboard box which would be nice if you were giving this as gift but seems a bit pointless when you are just buying it for yourself. The tip of the eyeliner does wear down quite easily, so you do have sharpen it quite frequently, but apart from that i really don't have any complaints. Overall, a fantastic eyeliner. Possibly a bit expensive, although i have only had it for about a month and if it turns out to last a long time then it will have been worth the price.
MAC are a well-known cosmetics brand, which produce, among other makeup products, a variety of eye pencils. The one I will be reviewing is from the 'Powerpoint' range.
I bought this quite a while ago, and despite knowing that I should probably throw it away and replace it, I don't have the funds to do so and I love this product so much that I would rather hold on to it.
I own the shade 'So There Jade', a shimmery light green colour, however MAC stock a variety of colours - the ones that stand out the most to me are 'Prussian' (a dark grey-blue) and 'Bordeauxline' (a rich plum). This eye pencil also comes in the typical black, grey and brown shades.
I love MAC packaging, I think it looks very professional and stylish. The 1.2g Powerpoint eye pencil is a very distinctive black in colour, with matching plastic lid.
The end of the pencil features a small band of colour, which corresponds to the shade of pencil it contains. The coloured band on my eye pencil is unsurprisingly an appealing mint colour, which goes well with the overall theme of the product.
It is very minimalistic in look, the writing is a silver-grey in colour and a capitalised plain font, giving only the necessary details.
If I remember correctly, this product came packaged in a a thin cardboard box decorated standard to the MAC brand - I am not keen on this as I find it highly unnecessary and wasteful.
The MAC website tells me that this product is meant to be waterproof, longwearing, smooth to apply and won't transfer, smudge or budge. Sounds perfect!
-Application and Effect-
You apply this eye pencil just as you would any other: the method I favour is holding the eyelid in place using a Q-Tip (pulling the eye 'taut' with your finger isn't good on the sensitive skin in this area) and using small strokes - starting from the middle to the outer corner, then working to the inner corner - to create one fluid line.
The pencil itself is light and easy to grip, making steady application effortless. Drawing the line is a very smooth process, the pencil is a creamy formula which glides across the skin with ease. Unlike other eye pencils out there, you needn't push hard to create a line, relatively little pressure is needed.
The colour is surprisingly vibrant when applied, the mint green really stands out and makes me look awake - however to achieve this I sometimes have to apply a couple of layers of the product, although I tend to do this with most eyeliners. It is a shimmery colour which is noticeable, but not too noticeable, when it catches the light. I usually wear this without eyeshadow, as I don't feel that my eyes need it with this stunning colour. Sometimes I wear this over black pencil liner to create a subtle shimmery dark green line, which I really like.
I have worn this product on nights out and it hasn't smudged or disappeared, so I haven't had to worry about reapplying it. I fortunately haven't ever had to test whether this product is truly waterproof or not, especially as I never use this colour on my waterline, but it is fairly easy to remove at the end of the night.
Sharpening this product is necessary as the creamy texture means it becomes blunt fairly quickly, however I have found sharpening this pencil to be just as easy as any other I have owned.
This product currently costs £12, and while this is expensive compared to other brands out there I do not regret my purchase. I only ever purchase MAC cosmetics from MAC stores so I do not know if it is cheaper on other websites.
I really like my Powerpoint eye pencil, it's been an easy way to add a dash of colour to brighten up my eyes. I've found it to be the smoothest eye pencil to apply compared to others I have used in the past, and it is fairly long lasting.
However the price is a major downside. Although I am a fan of this product, I am not sure if I can justify spending £12 on one eye liner - when I eventually part with my current one I will probably replace it with a cheaper substitute.
MAC Eye Pencil
I have been steadily building up my own personal MAC Empire over the years with an addictive need to purchase a MAC item whenever I am near the store. As I have said in previous reviews the nearest one to me is the Metro Centre and so I am not there often and buy a few items at a time or if holidaying in the US I stock up as much as I can as the $ to the £ is still a good deal and with MAC been a US brand you get it cheaper there than back in the UK.
**The Range of Eye Pencils**
The eye pencil I am reviewing is a limited edition Soft Sparkle Eye Pencil which is a glittery lilac eye liner. It is advertised as a creamy pencil style liner infused with micro fine glitter as limited editions and is available in night sky or lilac accents and priced $14.50 but is only available in the US. You can purchase it through MAC US online (although probably have to be in the states to purchase it) or like me go physically to the US to a MAC shop (which for me is only really an option when I am on holiday there!).
The US MAC stores sell the limited editions and a wider variety of ranges than the UK does as MAC is an American brand. On MAC online - UK version or in UK department stores there are plain eye pencils or powerpoint eye pencils on offer. The plain eye pencil is in 3 traditional colours of blue, brown and black and cost £10.00 whilst the MAC powerpoint liner in over 10 fabulous bold colours that cost around £12.00. The MAC power point liner is probably the closest to the Soft Sparkle one I have and is long lasting, waterproof and metallic.
**My eyeliner - Soft Sparkle Eye Pencil**
The Soft Sparkle Eye Pencil is a creamy pencil which has glitter in it to make it sparkly. The colour of my eyeliner is lilac accents and I paid $14.50 in a MAC shop in the US. It is 1.68g in weight and around 9cm in length. The pencil is shiny and sparkly on the packaging with a plastic lid. It is black in colour with MAC written on in white writing. It comes in a black MAC box also which I have not kept. As I have said this is a limited edition which MAC often do but is still currently available from the US.
As an eyeliner crayon it is easy to apply and the point is neither too soft nor too hard as it has a creamy texture. With the right pressure it is easy to apply to the eyes with a steady hand and creates a straight line well. The colour comes out quite a vivid purple with just enough sparkle and glitter to give you a good look. It does bring attention to the eyes and works well with thick black mascara and suits a plain eye shadow or glittery one. It doesn't smudge off once on and is water resilient too. MAC recommended not to use in the inner eye rim but can be used for the top and bottom eye. I have sensitive skin and have not found it an irritant to my eyes even when on for a while or when I get tired and tend to smudge or rub my eyes.
I have used it mainly on nights out rather than the daytime as it is quite bold and dominant. I use it only with high impact mascara and not an eye shadow as I find it is powerful enough to draw attention to the eyes alone without the need for an eye shadow. I don't find it over glittery or sparkly and not too young in look. I do feel l it is a bit too dressy for a daytime eye pencil. It is like other MAC products I own in that it does make a statement and help you stand out and you can adjust the amount you build up to increase the effect.
**The cost and re purchasing it**
It cost me $14.50 which was around £8 at the time and a few quid off what you would pay in the UK and similarly priced to Clinique. It has lasted me a while as I do not use it that much. The downside is that to re purchase this particular one is that I would have to hunt around on the web for specialised shops through ebay etc with it been a US range and a limited edition, which would cost me more than what I paid for it unless I made it back to the States.
Even though I only use it for nights out I do not feel it has a been a waste as it is a quality make up eye pencil and has lasted me a while. I do like to wear different colours and looks and so have not used it that often. I would like to purchase some of the other eyeliners from MAC in the powerpoint range as I can't escape to the US in the near future and they seem to be similar to this one I own.
I love MAC eye makeup and find it has a variety of bold and vivid colours to suit lots of people. The looks you can create are dazzling and pretty eye catching for both daywear and nights out. This eye pencil compliments the other products I have from MAC but also works well with other brands too and is one I would recommend to others. I would rate it a 4 star due to it been more of a night out eye pencil.
MAC make up is available in department stores like House of Fraser, online for those tempted to give it a go. www.maccosmetics.co.uk
MAC Powerpoint Eye Pencil (Eye Liner)
~About the Company~
MAC was founded in Canada by Frank Toskan and Frank Angelo in 1985. MAC opened their first standalone store in the United States in 1991.
MAC is a highly reputable company loved by celebrities, models, make up artists and us alike.
MAC is also a keen charity donator to AIDS.
MAC believe in high quality cosmetics and skincare that work, are quick, easy and last a long time.
~About the Product / What the Product Says To Do~
This eye liner is waterproof and longwearing. The pencils come in shimmer, matte and metallic finishes.
They are smooth to apply, and are creamy in texture. MAC says this eye pencil wont budge, smudge or transfer.
On MAC's online store there are 13 colours to choose from.
There are many ways to use an eye liner pencil. Top lashes, bottom lashes, on the waterline and also double lining.
Top Lash Line: Simply draw a straight line across the top lashes making sure the line is as close to the lashes as possible so there is no gap. If you can't do a complete straight line, either do dots and join them up or short sweeps works just as well. Depending on which colour you choose to liner your eyes with you can create different effects.
Bottom Lash Line: It is easier to rub the liner in between your lashes to create a liner effect.
Lining the Waterline: Gently pull down your lash line with your ring finger as this is the gentlest finger you have. Gently run the liner across your waterline making sure not to rub to hard or keep going backwards and forwards thus making your eye sore. Also be careful not to touch your eye.
Double Lining: Double lining is where you have lined the top of your lashes and inside the waterline at the top of your eye. To do this follow the steps for lining the waterline. This effect looks dramatic and great for a night out. Looks like your lashes are thicker, fuller and makes your eyes look amazing.
The texture of theses eyeliners are very creamy and smooth. You don't need to apply a lot of pressure at all to get the look you desire. They are very pigmented as well. Be careful when sharpening because they are so creamy and soft its more likely to break off.
The packaging of the liners are like most eyeliners out on the market. But when you sharpen it, it is more plastic inside instead of a wood pencil. This makes it more hygienic to use.
It comes in the famous MAC black and a black shiny lid that pops off.
MAC Powerpoint Eye Liners come in 13 different colours including:
Stubborn Brown - is a lovely true brown colour.
Industry - is grey with a pearl tinge to it.
Bordeauxline - is a deep rich plum
Permaplum - deep plum with a pink shimmer
Grey Utility - is more of a uniform grey colour
Prussian - dark grey-blue
Navy Stain - royal blue with shimmer
Tealo - black teal
So There Jade - light green
Forever Green - olive green with leaf shimmer
Buried Treasure - brown-black with gold
Duck - soft grey brown
Bountiful Brown - brown with bronze running through it
Engraved - black
I am an eyeliner freak, have been since my young teenage days. I always used to wear eyeliner on my waterline as I couldn't line any other way as I always made a mess, it was quick and easy for me to do. Unfortunately because it is on my waterline it never stays on and always comes off within a few hours but it's never bad as it creeps down onto my bottom lashes making it look like I still have liner on.
When I was a teenager I couldn't afford MAC products and always stayed away even though I knew celebrities and everyone else loved them. I just kept with any cheap eyeliner I could get. So now I can afford MAC products I jumped at the chance and bought two of their powerpoint liners, in engraved and stubborn brown. I bought engraved as I cracked the lining the top lash line and that is where I apply that colour and stubborn brown is where I apply to my lower lashes, doing this doesn't make it so dramatic in the day.
MAC state their powerpoint eyeliners are waterproof, so I thought applying this to my waterline would be brilliant. I was wrong, just like all the others it came off within a matter of hours. MAC also state it wont transfer and is long lasting. This I also don't agree with as my eye lids get greasy throughout the day and because I have hooded lids before I knew it the liner was off and was on my crease instead. £12.00 a pop I expected a lot more than this.
I have noticed if you're wearing eyeshadow first and apply this eyeliner it is more likely to stay on but after a few hours I still get an outline on my crease, which isn't a nice look.
Now instead of all the fancy lining I stick to my gel eyeliners, which I adore and I only use theses eyeliners when I don't have the time and want something quick to put on. Then I will only wear it on my waterline and to double line. I won't be using this for anything else.
I applied a thickish line to the palm of my hand, waited a bit and tried to rub it off. It did stay put but after a few more rubs I noticed it started to fade.
I applied a bit of water to it and started rubbing again, unfortunately it nearly all came off.
Nice product but very disappointed with it.
~Price and Where to Buy~
On MAC's official website http://www.maccosmetics.co.uk it is priced at 12.00
You can get it cheaper from auction sites such as eBay but please be aware there are a lot of fake MAC products on there and you may not be getting the real deal.
~Would I Recommend/Purchase Again~
Yes if you don't have a hooded eye like me and you have normal eyelids i.e. not greasy.
MAC Eye Pencil / Eye Pencils are formulated to provide rich / consistent colour using ingredients that have virtually no irritancy potential / They are comfortable to apply and sharpen to a fine point to allow for a precise application / Eye Pencils can be used to create a sharp line or a softer / smoky effect / They are long-lasting and won't cake or streak.