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      28.10.2009 11:25
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      bad battery but great phone

      The phone is lovelly and light, the features are very easy to use and if your familiar with Nokia its even better. But the battery is rubbish, speacially because the phone has some many features like skype, messenger, internet and radio. It's as if you have all those features but you have to measure your use of them, otherwise you run out of battery. I've had it for 1 year now, I'm overall happy, cos I can charge it both at work and at home (I've got 2 charges now!!!!!) I also wished they had more themes for the backgroung and etc... would be cool if it also had a "whole" to attach a phone charmer .) ) and i love the fact that i can ad the memory card and upload all the songs i download from my PC and im sure you can find a good deal for it now.

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      07.10.2009 15:04
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      The 6120c is a no non sense mobile phone with standard features.

      The Nokia 6120 classic is a candybar phone released in November 2007. It is a smartphone and is classified as a mid-range phone on release. It should be confused with the Nokia 6120, released in 1998.

      --- the BASICS ---

      The 6120c is a 3G phone and has standard features such as 2" 16 million colour TFT screen, camera and radio. I purchased this phone with 3 - the mobile company. It is a quadband 3G smartphone which runs the Series 60 operating system (more details on this later). The phone supports 30Mb or so memory on board with the option of expanding the memory with microSD cards.

      --- USABILITY ---

      (Introduction)
      Being a candybar phone the 6120c has no problems with build quality with regards to hinges or sliding mechanisms. The response time is quick - extremely fast compared to the N95 8Gb despite the N95's dual core processor compared to the 6120c's single 369MHz processor. There is no lag in opening programmes and the phone is well suited to operating multiple programmes at once: the definition of smartphone.

      As the 6120c runs on Series 60 v3 it supports active standby too - it is a function more often seen on PDAs with diary entries or memo items displayed on the standby screen to remind the user of important information.

      The design of the phone is very bog standard - 4 way navigation key, centre key, 2 softkeys, call and hang up buttons + 2 Nokia smartphone buttons: one for opening multiple programmes and the other for copying and pasting words. The phone is very light and suited for everyday carrying.

      (Sound and Multimedia)
      This phone runs the standard Nokia multimedia programme - which means no N series music player onboard. But the sound quality is good and you can all the basic stuff like equaliser (very limited), shuffle and all repeat. The included headphones are reasonable and since it is 2.5mm jack one can relatively easily (compared to proprietary jacks) look for replacements. The phone ringing is loud but not as much as you would expect - you may miss some calls in a crowded or noisy place

      The phone supports a multitude of video formats - most of which consumers will not use (except for 3gp, mp4 perhaps). Viewing video on the (relatively) small screen is not a major problem but eyes will be tired in prolonged video sessions. Watching photos is easy and scrolling between them produces no lag.

      The phone supports microSD and the maximum size of cards available and recognised for the 6120c is currently 2Gb.

      (Internet and Messaging)
      The internet works well - indeed the phone was promoted as an internet browsing handset when first released. Being one of the first phones to support turbo 3G (3.5G) it allows speeds of upto 3Mbps when browsing - in reality it is around 1Mbps, which is reasonable. Browsing on the phone is easy with a small built-in cursor to the browser. There is no wifi in this handset so internet is via GPRS or 3G.

      Text messaging is also easy thanks to the relatively large keys. As it runs on Series 60 users familiar with Nokia phones will be very at home with the interface. Basically you get the inbox, drafts, sent messages, broadcast messages etc. When you do receive a message you have to enter the messaging menu to view it - but you do get a small icon on the top right of a standby screen to remind you of the unread message.

      (Screen and Camera)
      The screen being 2" could definitely get bigger. It is nice and bright but is easily scratched. The 16M colour is very similar to one with 256K colour with little noticeable difference.

      The camera onboard the phone is a low-range (by standards of today) 2MP. It does not have autofocus and only supports very limited customisation of photo taking. The images produced are of 1600x1200 pixels. Video taking by this phone is acceptable and the resolution is 320x240 at 15fps.

      --- CONCLUSION ---

      The 6120c is a very standard mid-range phone of 2007. It has all the features one would expect for a reasonably priced phone. The 6120c will work well with everyday life but do not expect it to sing and dance as it simply is designed to be a phone on the move and not a multimedia convergence device.

      Box contents:
      6120c phone
      Headset - 2.5mm
      USB cable (can NOT be charged when connected to computer)
      Quick travel charger
      CD-ROM

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      30.07.2009 17:12

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      Great small smart phone, but beware poor battery life and sluggish performance

      having had this phone for 18 months on a contract with 3 I have mixed feelings about it.

      Firstly as a phone the Nokia 6120 Classic is more than adequate. Nice keypad, good sound quality and a surprisingly good integrated speaker-phone.

      The feature set is excellent. Many applications are available for the Symbian platform making the phone much much more than a calling and texting device. Google earth, a Divx video player as well as applications for controlling Itunes or other software on a PC remotely have all come in useful over the time I have used this phone. Nokia maps is also a fantastic free resource (though google earth is better but requires a data connection) and can be used as a sat nav system (though not for free) if the phone is paired with a bluetooth GPS.

      The downsides? I have found that after 18 months use the phone is quite sluggish. Taking a few seconds to open a text message quickly becomes frustrating, like using an old PC that is past its sell-by date.

      The battery on the phone will require charging every night if the phone is used regularly. This is a real annoyance - if I forgot to charge the phone one night, it was hit and miss whether the battery would last for the second day, even with light use.

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      26.01.2009 17:48
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      A good all rounder

      I switched to this phone under contract with 3 last year and although on the whole I like it, I have had a few problems with it.

      The pros:
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      It looks great, i've got the white and silver version and its a very stylish phone, also very lightweight and fits nicely in your hand. The cameras are pretty good - as good as you need on a phone anyway, I have a proper digital camera for anything other than spur of the moment snaps!

      I like the reading text messages option which I have never seen on any other phone, also the memory (with smart card) is very large, I have to force myself to start emptying texts out after it gets to about 200 in the inbox, it never seems to get full.

      I like the screen and the buttons, but then I have very small hands so the buttons being smaller is not a problem for me (but I can see they might be if I had larger ones).

      I really like the music playback quality on it and love being able to have my own music on it for ringtones etc.


      The Cons
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      This phone gets INCREDIBLY hot. I am not talking just a little bit warm against the side of your head, I mean its hot like you cant touch it and literally I end up talking with it a good few inches from my head. This happens when ive been on the phone over about half an hour, which for me is a couple of times a week. I started to worry that it might actually set on fire but apparently its a common problem with this model and I couldn't find any incidences of it exploding as yet - just a lot of people with very red ears.

      The battery life is indeed very bad indeed. I have to charge it pretty much every day and its been like this since I first had it, again having looked into it this seems standard for the model but it is annoying. I have to remember to take my charger everywhere with me. One long phone call (again im talking over half an hour) and you can guarantee you have lost a few bars of your battery already.

      Occasionally this phone will just totally cut out when im on a call although again this only seems to happen when im on longer calls.

      Overall
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      Its a lovely and easy phone to use, I personally dont bother with the emails side as I have a blackberry for work but I find this phone a pleasure to use (aside from the heat!). I have had a number of these type of Nokia's over the years but this is my favourite to date.

      The pros do outweight the cons but its a shame that these seem to be common problems with this particular model. If Nokia could eradicate them this would be absolutely top notch.

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      17.01.2009 12:25

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      good phone

      I bought this phone on a 6 month contract from Three UK.

      The phone was retailing at £100 , but the 6 month contract was £15 and came with loads of minutes and texts. Well worth it.

      The Nokia 6120 mobile is probably one of my favourite compact Nokia candy bar phones. It really hits the mark on looks and its compact size. However the camera quality is not great for 2mp.

      The phone has lots of features that i have not used, maybe it's because they are pointless or just not for me.

      This phone also comes in pink and white. I did want the white one as it just looks amazing.

      If you are thinking of getting a reliable phone with a variety of modern techno features then the Nokia 6120 classic could be for you.

      I have recently upgraded from my six month contract to a Nokia E71. But i still use this as a backup phone.

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      21.12.2008 22:13
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      Nice phone

      Nokia 6120 Classic is another excellent phone from Nokia. I did used this phone for almost 1 year and frankly speaking didnt have any problem, it was on contract from 3 for 15 pounds a month, which is a best deal for this phone.

      The looks of this are really cool, and the features of this phone for this price is simply great. it comes with a 2 mega pixel camera to take pics on the go, also has 2 cameras the front one used for video calling. it has support for FM, plus the music player is really cool, so i enjoy most of the journey listining to music on my phone. Its small in size with great looks. Web surfing is also great ans easy to do on this phone. The memory can be expandable and be upto 2GB. Overall if you looking for a cheap phone with all good features then this the phone for you..

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        19.10.2008 19:49
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        classic feelings for classic peoples.

        Nokia 6120 Classic
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        Nokia has added a new Jewell in its classic phone series with Nokia 6120 classic phone. This is my third review in classic series phone and I am also a fond of classic phone. Here I am going to discus about the features of this phone with some disadvantages also.
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        Design and look
        Design of this phone is completely conservative and traditional with size measured as 105 x 46 x 15 mm, in terms of length, width and thickness. Weight is about 89gm. Phone is something like Smartphone with its design and look. Phone had excellent soft keypad and there is no problem with operating it.
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        Display
        Phone has superb display screen with size of 240 x 320 pixels, 2.0 inches and 16 million color display screen. Resolution of this screen is comparatively high with compare to many other phones and the common 256k resolution. Screen size is also bigger and has a bright display with adequate contrast for better visual and effect.
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        Memory size
        Memory size is also very good with 35 MB of internal user memory and one micro SD card slot with maximum 8 GB of support memory. Phone has good RAM with 64 MB SDRAM, and 128 MB ROM for better processing speed. Internal memory is also reasonable for contacts, data, java applications and messages.
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        Connectivity solutions
        Phone had all important connectivity features except WLAN. There are GPRS, HSCSD, EDGE, 3G and Bluetooth USB with miniUSB support. The most important feature related to connectivity is its 3G support and this is a latest connectivity solution and is generally available in middle higher range of phones. The missing function in terms of connectivity is Wi-Fi support and there is no any WLAN in this phone it is a measure disadvantage of this phone. Wi-Fi is a common requirement in any middle or higher range of phone.
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        Music and camera
        Phone has good music player with MP3/AAC/MPEG4 player and stereo FM radio also. Sound intensity is average and reasonable. But phone doses not support stereo sound with handsfree, we need a good headset to hear its stereo sound. It is measure disadvantage in many or maximum other phones and there are very few models available with inbuilt stereo handsfree.
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        Camera is average with 2 MP, 1600x1200 pixels maximum resolution, with inbuilt flash. But camera doesn't support autofocus. I think 2 megapixel camera is not a good camera in mobile phone, it should be at least 3 megapixel with autofocus support. Flash is not a measure issue in mobile phone camera because the range of flash is very limited and the use of flash will be definitely limited, so have a good point and shoot camera instead of keeping mobile camera.
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        Battery capacity is average with Standard lithium ion battery, Li-Ion 890 mAh (BL-5B) and the total talktime is about 3 hours with non-stop talking.
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        Over all conclusion
        Phone is excellent in terms of design and body, good keypad, excellent VGA display, and classic felling. Recommended.

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          18.07.2008 21:38
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          overal an ok phone

          I actually own 2 of these phones both on contract with 3. This seems like a good enough phone, however I am not overly impressed with the battery life. I chose to have the email put on my phone, and to say that this was a big mistake is a understatement.

          I had to recharge my phone every day, and the email that was coming through was crap, you could not view all of the message so completely lost the whole point of having this.

          This phone has a lot of perks, voice recognition for hands free use. Also you have the option to have your text messages read to you. A new experience.......

          Overal this phone is well worth the money. Just be careful what extras you put on this. This will deffinately affect the battery life.

          Also if you have big finger tips this phone is not for you.

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            02.04.2008 16:55
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            Good Phone to have

            I bought this contract from 3 last year in august in with that contract i got this 6120 Classic. I was happy to see such a nice phone with all the features & really smart in looks and it remind me some what of the same type of my other fav when it comes to good phone in sleak chape the other one being Nokia 6300.

            About the Phone it is smart & Simple with classic design in Black, White & Silver Color, it really very light in weight which make it easy to cary. Also a 2 Inch wide screen which is ok when compared to the size of the phone. Reading on the manual ifound the screen can display sixteen million colors. The battery life is also very good upto 3 hours talk time, keypad design is also well made. Its got a 2mega pixel camera which make it speacial it has two camera one in front and other one at the back. The picture quality & Video Quality are good. Only pictures taken from front camera are not that great, it also has a flash light support to take pictures in dark.
            It has Micro SD memory card slot and you can expand the memory till 2GB. It also has the feature of video call which is another feature of the mobile.
            This phone also has MP3 player and the music quality is good and you can hear nice music on it, it also has multimedia features.
            It also has Pre loaded software of Adobe & Microsoft which makes it more good.
            Web Browsing is also excellent, Email support is also good.
            It supports a large number of ringtomes type. Multimedia services are also good. The phone is very easy to use and once you read the manual it will be more easy.
            Another feature is Voice Dialling which is good to have in your phone. It is alos good to play java games.
            Other features are Alarm Clock, Calculator, Calendar Automatic keylock, Bluetooth Connectivity, Internet Wap etc.

            Will conclude by saying itsa very good phone. There is a saying" Good Things Comes In Small Packages" so its the same with nokia 6120 Classic

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            23.12.2007 11:30
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            Overall a great mobile.

            I don't actually own this mobile but my boyfriend does. I tend to use it a lot when I run out of my free minutes and texts (he's on a higher tariff than me), I also like to 'play' with it a lot, such as with games, music etc so I think I qualify to review it.

            He had this phone as a free upgrade from 3. Like me, he had the Nokia 6280 previously and thought it was rubbish, unlike me, he decided to stick with a Nokia. (I have a Sony Ericsson).


            DESIGN
            I have to admit it's a really nice looking phone. It's slim, stylish and not too big and bulky. It's mainly black with chrome around the edge, on some of the buttons and on the camera lens. I have recently seen that you can get this phone in pink and white also. The display screen is a 2 inch, 16 million colour QVGA Screen, 320 x 240 pixels. The dimensions of the phone are 105 x 46 x 15 mm and weighs 89 g.

            It is very easy to use, if you've previously owned Nokias in the past, the buttons are very much the same. They are large enough for when you are writing texts so that you don't press other buttons by mistake (unless you have very large fingers)!!

            It has also had a few knocks (my boyfriend is quite clumsy) but has managed to withstand them with no superficial damage or internal damage! So is quite robust.


            MUSIC
            You can use this phone to listen to both music that you have downloaded, and the radio. It comes with headphones so you can use it as a walkman.

            Unfortunately, this phone didn't come with a memory card so my boyfriend had to buy one, he got a 2GB micro SD card from eBay for £11.99. The phone already had up to 35MB of memory which is pretty poor for an up-to-date phone coming from a company like nokia.

            To transfer songs between your PC and your mobile you need to load the Nokia PC Suite CD on to your PC. You can then use the USB cable to connect the phone to the PC which is provided in the box when you receive the phone.

            You can also connect to the internet using the phone, my boyfriend is with the 3 network and gets £5 worth of downloads every month, you can spend this on music at £1.29 per song, they do have sales also.


            CAMERA
            This phone has a 2 megapixel camera with flash and panorama imaging. You can use it to take still pictures and videos. It's very simple to use with a one touch button on the side of the phone, this takes you straight into shooting mode. The phone has a nice big screen which is great for taking pics and videos. You can send these photos and videos as messages or you can transfer them onto your PC.

            You can also edit your photos, by cropping, resizing, red-eye reduction, rotate, adjust the sharpness, contrast + brightness and add clip-art and frames, there are 20 frames to choose from and 51 clip-art pics. You can also change the colour of the photos to negative, sepia and black and white, or cartoonise the photo. I think this aspect of the phone is great, you can have so much fun playing around with it - I have!


            MESSAGING
            There are various ways of sending messages with this phone.

            SMS - These are text messages, they can be written using predictive text if required.

            MMS - multimedia messages. These can be photos, videos or voice recordings.

            Email - you can send messages to email addresses. First you must set up your email on your phone.

            I think that one of the greatest things about this phone is that when a text message is received, you can actually listen to it. You hear it in a strange voice which is quite funny and it always makes me laugh. So if you need to use glasses and you don't have them with you, you can still listen to the message.


            CONNECTIVITY
            This phone has Bluetooth, you can send and receive messages, music files, photos, and videos free using this method, but you must be a certain distance away from the sender/recipient. You can also synchronise your phone with another phone via Bluetooth and take their information instantly on request. This is very useful if you have a new phone and want all the contacts etc from your old one.

            You can connect to your PC via a USB lead which is provided. You can then transfer information between your mobile and your PC.
            You can also synchronise your mobile with your PC using the Nokia PC Suite.


            ORGANISER
            The organiser includes a currency converter, calendar, notes, calculator, clock, Adobe PDF and Quickoffice. Most of these are self-explanatory, the Quickoffice is used to view a list of Word, Excel and PowerPoint documents. You can use Adobe to view portable document format (pdf) documents.


            GAMES
            The phone comes with 4 games, three of which are just demos. I think this is quite bad really, you'd expect more from an expensive top of the range phone. My boyfriend is with the 3 network and as I said before he does get £5 worth of downloads each month, he can use this to buy games, they cost £4.99 per game but they do have sales on.


            BATTERY
            Standby - up to 186 hours
            Talk - 230 minutes

            INTERNET
            You can connect to the internet using this mobile. There are certain free sites using the 3 network, such as news and sport. You can also use eBay for free. There is a separate charge for surfing the internet though and using popular sites such as Facebook.


            OVERALL OPINION
            I think that this is a great mobile and if I didn't have mine (a Sony Ericsson), then this would probably be my second choice. It has everything my boyfriend needs and he has had no problems with it whatsoever. The only thing that would make it any better is if the camera had more megapixels. We do have a digital camera so he has no real need for this feature. All in all, this is a great phone that myself and my boyfriend would recommend!

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              24.08.2007 16:26
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              Try not to get too worked up about the fingerprint marks.

              For a wedding it is tradition to have something old, something new, something blue and of course that something borrowed. Well, whilst I am not marrying this phone it is made by an old favourite of mine in Nokia. Whilst is may not be the newest and most high tech phone on the market, it's sleak look definitly pulls off new to me and blue/black (slightly similar, bare with me here) and of course the final thing.. I have it on contract from Three, so technically I didn't pay a thing and 'borrowed' it from them -- although I do have no intention giving it back to them!

              That introduction was all just my big far fetched attempt at gaging your interest to tell you about my brand new mobile phone, Nokia 6120 (Classic), and for those that have paid any slightly interest to my 'About me' comments will know that this has came as a big move for me after leaving Vodafone and owning a new phone for the first time in two years. Coming from someone who used to change phone pretty much every 6 months, mostly due to damaging them in a drunken state, that's not half bad. I was sick and tired of Nokia 6680, and I couldn't stand around and watch advertisements and my friends getting new phones any longer.

              Nokia was my original mobile phone, and I've pretty much grown up with the brand as that's the type of phone my brothers always used to have, and that makes it quite hard to choose against Nokia and get a brand of phone where everything will be upside down and the wrong way round. I have only ever had one phone that wasn't a Nokia, and that was a Motorola flip phone. I seem to remember getting sick and tired of the screen, and changed, that was also possibly the last time I was on pay as you go, but don't hold me to that, we're going back some years here! I knew that I had to get off pay as you go from an early age, because quite frankly back then they didn't offer anything anywhere near as good as contract. I now know there are a lot of different benefits you can get from pay as you go if you get with the right company, although contracts have improved a lot as well.

              I decided that Vodafone had quite frankly been ripping me off, and whilst my original intention was to get a Samsung I was looking through one of my mums womens magazines and saw a phone offer that I quite frankly couldn't refuse. Three network, 600 texts and 75 minutes a month for £15. I quickly followed the site address, and there was a list of phones to choose from. After doing a little bit of comparison, I decided I would choose the Nokia over my second choice Sony phone. On the site is said that the offer ran out of the end of the month, but it appears that incredibly similar offers just run month in and month out. Someone told me not to go on Three because they were an awful network, but whilst I had heard some bad things about them and pay as you go customers, I couldn't turn down this almost incredibly contract deal and so far I have had no problems with them. Yes I know this review is supposed to be on the phone, I'm just giving you the back story.

              Before deciding to definitly move in for this phone, I decided to look for a video review on YouTube, and that's something that has been working out quite well for me lately as there was a review on there. The review showed 3D Snake was on the phone, and that sealed the deal.

              So lets take a look at th phone, it is much smaller than my old phone but definitly a design I prefer. The height and width is pretty much perfect, and whilst the depth of the phone is a little fatter than I would have liked, I can't really complain. Nokia doesn't seem to do flat phones. Two memory cards were included with the phone, and due to the fact that I'm so out of date with setting up new phones lately I did have to read the manual. It said to just slide the back off, and this was something I found quite difficult, probably a lot of that was due to the fact that the phone has such a sleak design I'm scared to ruin it (was that a good cover up for my lack of raw man power?). The battery, SIM and memory card (I'm not sure what the bigger memory card is actually for, I've just put it back in the box) went in like pretty much most phones do I guess, but lets talk more about the overall look. The prime colour is this reflective black that you can almost see yourself in, however there is a boarder of silver that really brings out the colours and looks incredible.

              On top of the phone, the on off button is located in the middle with an orange boarder around it. The phone has a front camera and a back camera with flash, and just as my usual experience with Nokia phones the back camera is much better quality than the front camera. Something I miss about my old phone is that the back camera does not have a cover, however at 2 megapixels the camera is a better quality. As I have said though, this isn't the newest and best phone on the market so I'm sure you can get phones with much better cameras on them. I hear Sony are actually leading the way when it comes to camera phones, slapping on ones with about 5 megapixels and automatic covers. The screen is bright and vibrant, no complaints at all there.

              As for the layout of the buttons, it is very easy to get used to, however the one thing I do not like about the phone currently is the square directional button. It is slightly hard to use. The phone memory is much larger than phones I have had before, and I'm going to start loading music on to this beauty once I have finished the review. One thing that has distressed me about Nokia phones in the past is the lack of dedication to music, although Nokia do seem to be aiming to bring out more music phones. Thankfully all the cables and such were included, so that I can install the CD ROM and should have no problem sharing content between my phone and computer just like I have had no real issues in the past. Texting is the same as per, and I'm sure once I get further used to the keys I will be as quick as ever. The contacts is also the same as usual, although one interesting point is if I put in 'mum', not only will it show up my mum but it will also show the numbers of other peoples mums that I have. I can't say I know much about the technical sides of phones, or anything for that matter, but I know this phone is up there with including things like e-mail and radio.

              The themes are quite limited and the default ones aren't all that great, but I think that changes depending on what network you are on. Interestingly another thing that changes depending on network is games, and that Snake 3D that I was so looking forward to wasn't included. Games included are free demos of Pac-man, Who wants to be a millionaire and Monopoly. The only three game is some not very fun Tetris-ripoff known as 'Marble'.

              Just like any other phone, the calendar is as good as ever there, and all the office features such as calculator and that. The phone does offer quite a high level of customisation, and that includes the ability to turn on a feature that tells you the name of who is ringing you. For example, if Oliver was ringing me my phone would say 'Oliver' in this robot voice. Ok, it's a bit pointless for someone in my possition but it can be a laugh to play around with. Sorry, I'm guessing I've just gone down in everyones estimations!!

              I really do like this phone, and as I grow with it I will let you know if anything comes about with it, but right now I see very little fault in Nokia and do not believe I made the wrong choice.

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            • Product Details

              More and more consumers are using their mobile phones for tasks such as downloading music, streaming video, browsing the Internet or receiving emails with attachments. The compact Nokia 6120 classic phone makes these tasks faster and easier by utilizing HSDPA (High Speed Downlink Packet Access), an evolutionary technology offering downloads up to 10 times faster than over usual WCDMA networks.

              Giving the Nokia 6120 even more functionality for busy lives, the phone features two cameras: a 2-megapixel camera with 4-times digital zoom, flash and panorama mode for taking high-quality photographs as well as a second camera in the front that adds a personal touch to calls by making use of the video call feature.

              The Nokia 6120 classic has even more ways that consumers can save time. For instance, with only a few short steps using the pre-loaded How-To Guides and a Set-up Wizard on the Nokia 6120 classic, consumers can have their email, messaging and Internet connection up and running in less time. The Data Transfer application allows consumers to transfer contacts, calendars, photos, videos and files from their previous Nokia to their Nokia 6120 classic, even when the SIM card is removed. And, by synchronizing their calendar from their office computer with the calendar featured in the Nokia 6120 classic phone, consumers can always have their schedule with them.