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I'm writing this in response to an earlier glowing review of this machine, posted by someone who had owned it for a whole month. I've just bought one of these machines, primarily to use the bodywork on a Honda Helix (the machine that this altogether inferior copy is based on). If I'd had any notions of ever riding it then were dispelled pretty quickly once I saw what an appallingly-made pile of junk it was.
It's only done 4500 miles, yet the final drive and front wheel bearings have already had to be replaced. The engine hanger bushes are knackered, allowing 20mm of sideways play at the rear wheel. The clutch bearing has collapsed, causing the drive belt to snap. The exhaust is almost rusted through, and the general decay and rot on a bike barely six years old is astonishing. It's got Chinese tyres on, so if you go out in the rain you'll fall off. But hey, it's got lots of extras the Honda never had - a stereo, alarm and immobiliser. Pity none of them work, eh?
Please don't believe any of the nonsense talked about these machines when people say things like 'It's just like a Honda' or allege that Honda had anything to do with building them. The design was licenced to Jialing, and these heaps were built by Jialing in China to their own, very low standards. The engines are copies of the Honda original made by a company called CFMoto, who have an even worse reputation than Jialing.
Stay away from these things, better yet stay away from ALL Chinese bikes.
I was reduced to getting the cheapest bike I could as I was broke. Cheap not only to buy but also run. I live in the London Brough of Southwark which is a very congested place so performance is not important. On ebay I noticed the Jonway. It had a start price of £300 even though it was only two years and had only covered 3500 kilometers about 2300 miles. I bid £325 for it as it looked good and I liked the name Jonway as my name is Jon. I was very pleased to win the auction for this lightly used bike as £315 is cheap.
I picked up the bike a few days later and was quite happy as it is a big bike for a 125cc and so quite comfortable for me to ride as I weight in at 19 stone over the weight limit on many scooters. Jonway has automatic transmission. It is easy to ride and had a top speed of 80kph. Fuel consumption is 140 kilometers per tank full. The tank is very small as it only holds 6 liters. That is then 50mph top speed and 63mpg fuel consumption is not to high really but all of my driving is in town. There is no rear brake to speak of but the front brake is very strong.
It came with a big top box on it which is handy for me as it can be used for shopping or deliveries. There is also a handy storage space under the twin seat where I can put my padlock and chain. It has a rev counter and fuel dial which shows empty after 100 kilometres/ 60miles. I topped up the oil up once and replaced the rear indicator covers for £10 as they were missing when I bought it, parts are available on line so easily purchased.
After I covered about 5500 kilometers the top speed reduced to 65 kph about 40 mph.
Insurance is only available from one broker and is expensive at £175 third party for such a slow vehicle. Rampdale were the only company that would insure me.
I sold the bike for £200 on ebay. As I could not get the scooter repaired after it was stolen. You have to be good at maintenance to buy these bikes or you will be stuck. When I had a check on ebay I found it had been sold on another three times since I sold it.
I own a Jialing JL250, had it for over a month. Its a Honda Helix copy made registered in 2005, so its 5 years old now.
The reason I'm writing this is to let others know what a great ride it is. I've had dozens of bikes and after years of cars, I started back at 57 on a 50cc two stroke Yamaha Jogr , this was great, nippy but not good enough or legal to gonto the motorway. Next I (again) renovated a free Yamaha XJ550, which was great, did an easy ton, but was a little pig and even worse after i put a top box on it for my shopping, stretching the old leg over and not kicking the box, also no wind protection. In the end I test drove a good mates Jialing 250, and I was thrilled with it! The fun had come back to biking, smooth accelleration, wind protection, luggage space (extra fitted top box). Its got faults, rubbish exhaust, fitted a car type on, evil standard tyres, fast rust metal, 60-70 mph top speed (in Kmh).
So he got Yam and I got the Jialing, were both well happy,
Most of the spares are Honda CN250 from 95 on, there are many clones of this bike, the best are totally based on the CN250, the japanese treat these as we treat Italian scooters, and spend lots of money on them. I get people leaning out of vans shouting "I like ya bike", etc, so dont discount them, because of Chinese bias. The factory it was made in was owned by Honda, just cheaper labour and less carbon in the steel.
Here is my update,
Jialing JL 250 TB. (The Honeymoon's over)
I've had this scooter a week short of a year, rose tinted glasses went about 9 months ago. Recently its drove me nuts mainly for: ( but not only )
1. Quickrust frame tubing, having removed the monkey puzzle front plastics ( same as Helix ) and strip out the huge leading link front forks, and rust-cure the forks, grease, and re-paint etc. Its a chore and the fronts now great, passed MOT etc but who needs it? Overtightened hub bearings and under greased from new.
2. I must have spent dozens of hours reconfiguring the exhaust to accept a reverse cone mega ( which was to loud - my fault ( ordered it of choice ) result - noisy and occasional simulated gunshots as passing frightened pedestrians.
3. This vehicle is the scooter version of "Christine" the American 1958 Plymouth Fury that Stephen King wrote about, only its black and silver, and this one doesn't fix it self - you do it - lots of time.
4. At the moment , Its not charging and I've narrowed it down to the regulator/rectifier. This happened after I put it on ebay. I don't believe in conning buyers so its off sale.
Good points: When its right, its a comfy, practical do loads of shopping, ride in the rain (German rear tyre) no problem - stay almost dry 62 mph nippy thing. Also a very useful garden chair with windbreak.
Sorry for my over- enthusiasm
Am considering removing all the panels and getting rid of the fuel pump (disaster waiting to happen) and adding a fuel tank nearly copying one I've seen in matt black.
In a nut-shell, Its the Chinese version of a decent scooter but made without consideration for the buyer, almost criminal rusting metal using low carbon/noodles, not giving a hoot if you get killed on it.
PS If you see me pushing it, say Hello! - Maz
The Jailing JL-250 is a Chinese copy of the old Honda CN250 "Helix", one of the first maxi scooters to come on the market. The JL-250 comes complete with a fitted alarm, stereo radio cassette player, colour LCD speedometer and large top box (in addition to its large boot.)
I first became aware of the bike being imported in to the country as a "grey" import a couple of years ago, where it was advertised in the scooter magazine "Twist and Go."
The bike was ridiculously cheap for a 250cc scooter, and so I decided to investigate.
After reading a couple of good reviews (one from a pleased owner), I decided to take the plunge and buy one of these beasties.
When it was finally delivered there appeared to be absolutely no documentation at all with the vehicle - frequent pestering of the supplier (who was situated the other side of the country) eventually yielded a poor photocopy of a user manual, but unfortunately I never received any documentation at all regarding the bike alarm fitted. This was a blow as the alarm was so sensitive that a gnat's cough would trigger it at 1/4 mile rendering it unusable, and I couldn't figure out how to adjust the sensitivity. The supplier kept suggesting various combinations of buttons to press on the remote key fob, but none of these related to the alarm fitted to my bike. It wasn't until I was due ship the bike out to its new owner over a year later that I located a set of instructions for a different alarm which seemed to work on the one fitted to the bike.
I also received no paperwork for the 12 month extended warranty agreement I had paid for.
The first thing that hit me on inspection of the machine was that the bike seemed a bit "tacky", with lots of cheap shiny plastic. This didn't put me off - I am no bike snob, having ridden MZs for most of my motorcycling life, so I decided that the cheap finish was only to be expected at this price level.
I discovered that the LCD speedometer, despite bearing the legend "miles" actually read in kilometres - I had to quickly learn that 30MPH = 48KHM, 40MPH = 64KMH, etc... The original Helix had a button to swap between MPH and KMH - the JL250 does not.
(I have noted that one enthusiastic owner on the internet claims that his JL-250 tops 90MPH - there is no way on God's green earth that this contraption would get anywhere near that speed (unless you rode it off of Beachy Head), so I assume that he may have fallen foul of this problem.)
(*Footnote to the above - the owner in question claimed that his bike did "90mph/95mpg". Once his initial enthusiasm had been replaced by everyday realism, however, it became apparent that he could only achieve 60-80MPG, and that his indicated speed of 95mph was actually 70mph in reality - his speedometer and odometer seemed to overread by a substantial amount. )
The bike did tend to vibrate a bit, causing the cheap plastic bodywork to resonate - again, being charitable, I put this down to newness.
The next nasty shock occurred on day 2, when, whilst attempting to turn right at a busy junction the indicators and horn stopped working.
After a few emails to the supplier I was sent a poor photocopy of a Honda Helix workshop manual - after a bit of dismantling I located a connector that had vibrated loose and rectified the problem.
I continued riding the bike (which became known as "The Chinese Object") for another month or so, all the time being shaken to virtual oblivion whilst trying to calculate my speed in my head before the next problem struck - the headlamp failed whilst I was negotiating a particularly dark unlit country lane. This potentially lethal episode was shortly followed by the slightly more comical incident when the handbrake lever pulled straight out of the dashboard whilst I was attempting a hill start.
After fixing these problems I acquired a new MPH speedo from the supplier - sadly, this too read in KMH and so he sent me one of those things that go on the speedo cable to convert KMH to MPH. This worked, but unfortunately caused the forks to foul slightly against the cable meaning that turning the handlebars to left lock caused the speedo to creak ominously..
The first oil change came, and seemed to make the vibration situation much better. I also fiddled with the mixture (at the suggestion of the supplier), making it slightly richer - this improved things substantially.
Unfortunately this wasn't the end of my woes - the horn packed up, the indicators would cease to function if water got in the hazard warning light switch, the stereo was virtually inaudible and the bike battery went completely flat if the bike remained unused for a week.
By now thoroughly disenchanted, I went back to my old 125 (which I hadn't got around to selling.)
By the time I came to sell the bike on Ebay I had fixed all of the problems that had I had experienced, but my confidence in the bike had evaporated - I was just waiting for the next thing to go wrong. I certainly didn't want to ride any distance on the machine.
Chances are that the new owner hasn't had a single problem - all I know is that I spent far more time fixing the thing than a 12 month old scooter warranted. It also scared me a bit that the supplier didn't seem to know much about his product, and certainly didn't have a clue regarding the alarm...
(footnote to the above - the "Chinese Object" is currently off the road, and appears to have been since Jan 07. I suspect that the new owner was as impressed with it as I was...)
About the only good thing I can say about the Jialing was that it was exemplary when it came to starting - it would start first turn, first time, almost every time. I was the best starter of any vehicle I have ever owned or driven. Storage space was also something of a positive, although the rear boot space was not as big as it appeared from the outside and was largely filled with the stereo and speakers.
Since then I have seen several of these bikes for sale second hand which, bearing in mind the low key selling and distribution, must represent quite a chunk of those initially sold - every one seems to be just over a year old and has covered a surprisingly low mileage. I think that this speaks volumes in itself.
As a postscript I noted that the owner who wrote the original glowing review (which persuaded me and a number of others to part with our money) later attempted to sell his bike on Ebay after covering a paltry 400 miles - perhaps the bike didn't live up to his expectations either, and if my memory serves me correctly it didn't do anything for potential buyers - it was a no sale...
Rolling in, hard on the brakes. Sweating a little, heart racing, inches from the cold hard ground. Watch the vanishing point moving. Wait just a little longer. Just a little deeper. Here we go... No fucking about, pull back hard on the opposite bar, twist its neck, force it over. Right knee touches down and slides. Feeling strangely safe now, no further to fall. The road reels by in a blur. Right hand steady on the throttle, left forefinger poised over the clutch - just in case. Roll on the power and let her come up gently as we kiss the apex. Feel the big sticky rear radial squirming, biting, gripping. Nail it to the stop, bars going light, front wheel just becoming airborne on the way out. Someone is laughing and screaming like an idiot inside my helmet as the big four-stroke clears its throat and hurls itself at the horizon. Perhaps it's me... "Jill Murphy asked me to write about one of my favourite things to help her celebrate her fourth anniversary of cancer-free living and to remind ourselves of all the nice things in the world. It takes more muscles to make a frown than a smile you know. If you'd like to join in, whether you've only just joined dooyoo, or you've been here ages, you're more than welcome. Just write about one of YOUR favourite things, make your title "A Favourite Thing: [your choice]" and include this paragraph at the foot of your opinion. And post before Friday, 9th August."
Jeff writes: There's huge debates over safety and bikes, and I thought I'd throw in my experiences... On top of other road users as a potential hazard - particularly the ones who think they can read the paper whilst driving (A406 EVERY morning), or those using mobile phones, and diesel on the roads, the other big hazard is road conditions. So, even if you're riding in day-glo gear, with loud cans and full lamps on during the day, you're still in danger of getting a tarmac spanking because: 1) speed pillows (the ones that make you and car drivers swerve) are so badly designed, 2) there are potholes are all over the place, 3) lazy contractors' overlaid road-markings that catch tyre edges everywhere, and, 4) metal manhole covers worn smooth, usually at a bend apex, or positioned at a point where you have to start braking... So - what can we do about it? You can and should report this to the local council - if everyone does it, something'll get done. It's downright dangerous and irresponsible for councils to allow this to happen. Even so, it's good to ALWAYS wear protective gear - decent armoured leathers are essential, as are really good boots and gloves. These items may make the difference between walking away from a spill, or ending up in a wheelchair - or worse. Last time I got knocked off whilst wearing jeans, I thought I got off lightly with just a graze. It was raining, and drains were overflowing. Guess what? I ended up in hospital with viral blood poisoning. Probably wouldn't have happened if I was wearing my leathers. Ride safe.
Many people say that bikes should be taken off the road as they are so dangerous. I would just like to say that if car drivers paid attention more then there would be alot less accidents on the road. Don't get me wrong, of course you get the dangerous riders but a vast majority of bikes accidents are actually caused by cars. A great example of this is a friend of mine was riding down a main road and a car just pulled out of a side road. The bike got wedged under the car and my friend went flying down the road on his side. The car driver carried on driving as he didn't even know what had happened. He could hear the banging noise that the bike was making but he though that his exhuast had come off! It was actually another motorist that managed to stop him. This really isn't an isollated case and unfortuantly, many riders are killed every year because of drivers carelesness. I think that it may be a good idea for all car drivers to actually sit on the back of a bike and maybe they will be able to aprreciate things a little bit better. Bikes are cheaper to buy, cheaper to run and better for the environment. Which would you prefer?!
The trouble with biking is that most bikes do not have a roof or boot, but the reason they are fun is because they do not have a roof or boot. Nevertheless, after a hard days ride to Cornwall or the Lake District, getting out a soggy tent and sleeping bag is not much fun, so what is the best solution? Rather than go the hard luggage route (at approx £500), I went for the soft option. Throwovers and a rack makes life cheaper, but still do not solve the ingress of water problem. In comes a German company called Ortlieb, who make a range of waterproof stuff sacs and bags that are totally waterproof. They come in a range of sizes and materials, from 10 ltrs to 100 ltrs, and I can easily strap mine onto my BMW F650 after they have been stuffed with the essentials for a weekend of camping pleasure. Highly recommended, and available from all good camping, climbing or water sport dealers.
KTM is a motobike which you can re-ly on at any time weather it is raining or boiling hot but what I can tell you is it is a bike worth looking at only for experienced riders because of the 200cc bikes witch have a lot of horse power in them but it is a bike that I have riden before and by heck its powerful and fast. And if I could save up and get it it would be a bike that I would get.
If you wondering which is good track company to use see this letter I have just sent to Craig main man at UK Ultimate trackdays. Then book yourself up! Hi Craig, I did your trackday at Pembery Sat the 8th and just like to say thanks. It has put the other two trackdays I have done to complete and utter shame. Your teams professionalism is outstanding and inspired confidence. I will defiantly be coming back and recommending both Pembery and your team to all my mates. The suspension guy was brilliant unfortunately I did not really get the opportunity to spend time with your instructors but at least they did not spend the day buzzing everyone. I did chat with them and I will make the point of using them next time. I was lucky though I had Colin Young (the fast guy on the Blue Race GSXR600) with me to point me in the right direction. The mid morning briefing and your willingness to stop the proceedings and offer advise was spot on, it meant you always felt as if the day was in control. Your ruling only allowing 30 riders on the circuit including instructors is also a real bonuses. It gave us all the room to run at our own pace. Staggering the starting of each session also helped reduce bunching. Having only three groups gave us all plenty of track time. You have obviously put a lot of thought into what makes a good day and I think all the other trackday companies should use your days as a benchmark you've got it so right. Great day and best-timed lap of 1.18 sec. More than happy
This is my opinion on the honda cr80r It is agreat bike with all the features almost the same as the 250 and the 125 but it is smaller slower and it has six gears rather than five. the bike will suit a 9 to a 15 year old boy or girl.Unlike the enduro bikes the motocross bikes have a smaller fuel capacity so that means it is-not a good idear to go out miles on the moorland as you will find that you will run out of fuel ,and beleve me it is not very fun to be stuck in the big deep muddy bogs.if you want to go more outland on your bike it would be good thinking to buy a enduro bike or trials bike but it is still very dangerus to go out there with no protection on such as: gloves,kidney belt,knee and shoulder protectors,motorcyclist's boots,jacket trousers,and most important, a helmet all this gear will cost you a arm and a leg but once you have got it all the sport isn't as expensive as you might have first thought. motocross is completely differant to trials riding and enduro take trials riding the aim of trials riding is to get round the course without stopping. You mustn,t stop, you mustn,t put your foot down . And in enduro you travel long distances, in the international six day enduro they cover up to 1,300 miles.You will not be able to do thet on a motocross bike like a honda CR80R.
This is my first bike which I bought after passing my motorbike license. It's actually a small capacity bike, very popular in Asian countries like Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia. The engine is only 70cc, with a maximum speed that can be achieved of a mere 100 km/h and it is suitable for city use. I use this bike to convey between my home and my school previously. Fuel consumption is very low and there is little maintenance to do. The design of this motorbike is normal, not the sporty kind of look. There is no electric starter and you need to kick start the bike. Once started, the motorbike gives a low hum, and not the loud din unlike some other bikes. My personal opinion about this bike is nonetheless, excellent, cost effective and super efficient.