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Kleeneze-The truth they don't tell you
Member Name: kleencon
Date: 29/01/06, updated on 05/02/06 (17183 review reads)
Advantages: Very, very few
Disadvantages: Too many to list
My wife and I decided to become Kleeneze distributors after an elderly couple persevered and insisted in coming to our house to show us facts and figures including proof(aherm)of their income.
We had no previous knowledge of Network Marketting at this time.
We were advised of Kleeneze's 14 day money back guarantee but as has been previously mentioned in this forum we overran this due to us being advised to buy more catalogues to get our initial investment back (we initially started with 300 catalogues and were then advised to buy more!.) We were constantly buying more catalogues due to them being thrown in the bin, ruined by weather and stolen by other distributors.
Kleeneze have a method of dealing with catalogues being stolen and that is for you to disclose who you think is stealing them and for kleeneze to give your details to whoever you are making the complaint about. This process has lead to some very nasty exchanges.
You will not be working part-time as the following process explains
1. you make your catalogue packs up (time consuming and laborious.
2. you put your catalogues out(minimum 1 1/2 hours per 100 catalogues.)
3. you make more catalogue packs up for next day.
4. put out next days catalogues
5. retrieve catalogues initially put out knocking front doors to get the 50% of catalogues that haven't been put outside. You are then met by an irate house wife or husband to tell you that this is the 4th, 5th or 6th kleeneze catalogue they've recieved this week and to **** off and don't come back oh and I've thrown your book in the bin.
6. the next day you go back and try to get your catalogues back from people who weren't in.
7. as per 6. above and also retrieve your next load of catalogues.
8. as per 6.
9. as per 6.
10.collate your orders(if any)
11. Take orders to customers some of whom will tell you that they thought they were ordering from their usual distributor and they don't want your products ohh and old Johnny has been doing this run for 50 years and you are trying to steal his customers and how terrible you are( all of this from your own neighbours. watch your popularity sliding down the drain with your wet catalogues.)
12. guess what.. we're financially worse off than before we started.
Does it get any better, not really: petrol costs initial start up costs, more catalogues cost, order delivery cost.
THATS JUST THE RETAILING SIDE
We then decided to start the sponsoring side as we were advised to boost our income (ha).
We forked out much needed money to go to ra-ra opportunity meetings, seminars and conferences as our 'sponsors' told us we had to be at these events to help us in our teambuilding process.
This is where it gets fun as the con really starts to become more exposed.
We were working almost every waking minute carrying out allsorts of different marketing methods to try and 'dupe' someone else into this monster.
We were told by our 'sponsor' that we had to write a list of family and friends whom we or they would contact to try to get them to become a distributor. If they didn't say yes then you kept on trying with them until even your friends and family avoided coming into contact with you. This was a necessity we had to carry out or "your sponsor will drop you like a hot potato".
The proofs of income that our sponsors and sponsors sponsor showed us, other potential distributors and existing distributors were all false as the total amount on the 'Certificate of Income' also included VAT that they still had to pay so they were not true figures. Please BE AWARE these people will try to get you to join no matter what the cost.
We were told to advertise on street furniture e.g. lampposts, illegal as we now know and there has been at least one prosecution that we know of.
We were advertising for distributors in local and national newspapers in competition with other distributors one of which was our own sponsor and their sponsor. We found that because they had been in Kleeneze longer they could 'lie' more fluently and we had, on occasion, potential distributors 'stolen' from us by our sponsors using the words "who would you want to go with- someone who has been in this for the past 6 years and knows what they are doing or someone who is just off the street?"(the person who had been doing this for 6 years was still struggling to break even.
I could go on and on.
Our sponsor has quit with massive debts
Our sponsors sponsor has quit with massive debts.
Their sponsors income has dropped 75% and has massive debts.
We were with Kleeneze for 8 years foolishly being sucked into the'next year will be massive' mentality.We had debts totalling £40,000. We looked back at our paperwork and it was a sea of-loans to pay for advertising, loans for cars we couldn't afford because we were told that if we wanted to talk big to make it look that we were successful we had to look successful.
Our kids hated it because we had no time for them because we were always doing 'Kleeneze business'
The best move we made was when we decided enough is enough.
We sold our house to pay off our spiralling debts. We have a lot more time for each other, we are not constantly arguing as we were during our 'Kleeneze Experience' and we can give our kids the time that they deserve.
I more than welcome any comments from existing distributors but remember for any positive you may dream up I will always show you 5 downpoints on becoming a Kleeneze Distributor.
Summary: There are many Network Marketing companies out there choose very, very, very carefully